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Stirlingsays 08 Mar 15 11.53pm
Quote nickgusset at 08 Mar 2015 11.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Mar 2015 11.08pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Mar 2015 10.36pm Stirling,don't always overlook 2 things in your mantra about immigration being the root of present problems and it being down to the EU. See the link. You have to look at net EU/UK migration. [Link] [Link] You also need to look at the actual immigration statistics (allowing for lies,lies and damned statistics,I know!).Foreign born population in UK,c 8 million (the largest national group of which are Irish, and note that more than 161,000 Polish people lived here as long ago as 1951),of which c 2.3 million were born in the EU (and from the links above you will note an estimated 2.2 million Brits have left the UK to live in other EU counties,with an estimated 5 Million living worldwide).So,to the extent that you see immigration as a number one problem issue, it has primarily flowed from policies within UK government control,not simply as a result of EU freedom of movement and the net migration figures bring a greater sense of perspective in an era of globalisation of goods,services,communications and people. But don't expect any such subtleties from political parties in search of votes on the back of emotive and simplistic slogans. Edited by legaleagle (08 Mar 2015 10.55pm) I don't have enough time tonight to look too deeply at your post but still... Why should I give a feck about UK workers going aboard? I'm not a cheer leader for people sodding off and paying tax to another state. How does that help the working classes here? The vast majority of our youngsters don't wish to or have the skills needed to work aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2015 11.10pm) If UKIP want to stop the flow from the EU or send em back, then I'm sure those Brits in the EU would need to be repatriated meaning pretty much no overall difference in numbers here. Nice to see you still supporting the left's argument on this Nick.....What was it you said earlier...Mmmmm In 2010 it was estimated that there were between 748,010 Brits and 1.6 million working aboard...The higher estimates are pretty ropey and doubtful statistically with old figures and politically biased estimations used to get to it.....Compared to 1.8 EU citizens working here...Since then the gap has increased. The immigration affecting the working class is of low skilled young people from Eastern Europe who genuinely settle in working class areas.....Not nice expensive areas. The Brits aboard come from many areas but they aren't anything like the same demographic coming in. Many of those Brits living aboard have retired to their villas and houses in Spain and France? It's apples and pears, one is taking work from the local population, the other is adding to it by bringing money into the country. Now I'm going to bed. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 12.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirling,don't always overlook 2 things in your mantra about immigration being the root of present problems and it being down to the EU.

See the link. You have to look at net EU/UK migration.

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You also need to look at the actual immigration statistics (allowing for lies,lies and damned statistics,I know!).Foreign born population in UK,c 8 million (the largest national group of which are Irish, and note that more than 161,000 Polish people lived here as long ago as 1951),of which c 2.3 million were born in the EU (and from the links above you will note an estimated 2.2 million Brits have left the UK to live in other EU counties,with an estimated 5 Million living worldwide).So,to the extent that you see immigration as a number one problem issue, it has primarily flowed from policies within UK government control,not simply as a result of EU freedom of movement and the net migration figures bring a greater sense of perspective in an era of globalisation of goods,services,communications and people.

But don't expect any such subtleties from political parties in search of votes on the back of emotive and simplistic slogans.

Edited by legaleagle (08 Mar 2015 10.55pm)

I don't have enough time tonight to look too deeply at your post but still...

Why should I give a feck about UK workers going aboard? I'm not a cheer leader for people sodding off and paying tax to another state. How does that help the working classes here?

The vast majority of our youngsters don't wish to or have the skills needed to work aboard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2015 11.10pm)

If UKIP want to stop the flow from the EU or send em back, then I'm sure those Brits in the EU would need to be repatriated meaning pretty much no overall difference in numbers here.

Nice to see you still supporting the left's argument on this Nick.....What was it you said earlier...Mmmmm

In 2010 it was estimated that there were between 748,010 Brits and 1.6 million working aboard...The higher estimates are pretty ropey and doubtful statistically with old figures and politically biased estimations used to get to it.....Compared to 1.8 EU citizens working here...Since then the gap has increased.

The immigration affecting the working class is of low skilled young people from Eastern Europe who genuinely settle in working class areas.....Not nice expensive areas.

The Brits aboard come from many areas but they aren't anything like the same demographic coming in.

Many of those Brits living aboard have retired to their villas and houses in Spain and France?

It's apples and pears, one is taking work from the local population, the other is adding to it by bringing money into the country.

Now I'm going to bed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 12.00am)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 11.54pm
[Link] Even Stirling might laugh at this.
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legaleagle 09 Mar 15 9.06am
Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Mar 2015 11.53pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Mar 2015 11.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Mar 2015 11.08pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Mar 2015 10.36pm I don't have enough time tonight to look too deeply at your post but still... Why should I give a feck about UK workers going aboard? I'm not a cheer leader for people sodding off and paying tax to another state. How does that help the working classes here? The vast majority of our youngsters don't wish to or have the skills needed to work aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2015 11.10pm) Nice to see you still supporting the left's argument on this Nick.....What was it you said earlier...Mmmmm In 2010 it was estimated that there were between 748,010 Brits and 1.6 million working aboard...The higher estimates are pretty ropey and doubtful statistically with old figures and politically biased estimations used to get to it.....Compared to 1.8 EU citizens working here...Since then the gap has increased. The immigration affecting the working class is of low skilled young people from Eastern Europe who genuinely settle in working class areas.....Not nice expensive areas. The Brits aboard come from many areas but they aren't anything like the same demographic coming in. Many of those Brits living aboard have retired to their villas and houses in Spain and France? It's apples and pears, one is taking work from the local population, the other is adding to it by bringing money into the country. Now I'm going to bed. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 12.00am) I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" "Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing". It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking. [Link] Edited by legaleagle (09 Mar 2015 9.20am)
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I don't have enough time tonight to look too deeply at your post but still...

Why should I give a feck about UK workers going aboard? I'm not a cheer leader for people sodding off and paying tax to another state. How does that help the working classes here?

The vast majority of our youngsters don't wish to or have the skills needed to work aboard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2015 11.10pm)

Nice to see you still supporting the left's argument on this Nick.....What was it you said earlier...Mmmmm

The immigration affecting the working class is of low skilled young people from Eastern Europe who genuinely settle in working class areas.....Not nice expensive areas.

The Brits aboard come from many areas but they aren't anything like the same demographic coming in.

Many of those Brits living aboard have retired to their villas and houses in Spain and France?

It's apples and pears, one is taking work from the local population, the other is adding to it by bringing money into the country.

Now I'm going to bed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 12.00am)

I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis

See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration"

"Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing".

It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Mar 15 8.50pm
[Link] Good to see Eastern Europeans doing their bit to help.
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legaleagle 09 Mar 15 9.12pm
I am still trying to come to terms with Mr Farage's mustard coloured trousers from your twitter link post last night
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I am still trying to come to terms with Mr Farage's mustard coloured trousers from your twitter link post last night

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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 15 10.37pm
Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" "Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing". It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking. [Link] What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available. To get to any conclusion on the impact of changes to the immigration system several guesses and estimations have to be made.....To present things as definite is intellectual folly or deliberate politics. The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous. Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of poorly spoken English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers and add to housing provision problems/infrastructure stress. Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary. You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the chattering classes of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them. As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am

I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis

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What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available.

To get to any conclusion on the impact of changes to the immigration system several guesses and estimations have to be made.....To present things as definite is intellectual folly or deliberate politics.

The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous.

Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of poorly spoken English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers and add to housing provision problems/infrastructure stress.

Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary.

You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the chattering classes of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them.

As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Mar 15 10.46pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 10.37pm Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" "Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing". It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking. [Link] What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available. To get to any conclusion on the impact of changes to the immigration system several guesses and estimations have to be made.....To present things as definite is intellectual folly or deliberate politics. The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous. Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers. Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary. You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.38pm) Perhaps those academics in universities are lefties because their research has lead them to think that way. Would you rather rely on the opinion of those who have had peer reviewed papers published or those who rely on what the papers publish?
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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 10.37pm

Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am

I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis

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Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers.

You're just putting out the usual fear mongering.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.38pm)

Perhaps those academics in universities are lefties because their research has lead them to think that way.

Would you rather rely on the opinion of those who have had peer reviewed papers published or those who rely on what the papers publish?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Mar 15 10.47pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 10.37pm Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" "Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing". It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking. [Link] What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available. To get to any conclusion on the impact of changes to the immigration system several guesses and estimations have to be made.....To present things as definite is intellectual folly or deliberate politics. The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous. Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of poorly spoken English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers and add to housing provision problems/infrastructure stress. Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary. You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the *chattering classes* of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them. As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm) BINGO! What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'?
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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 10.37pm

Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am

I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis

[Link]

You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the chattering classes of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them.

As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm)

BINGO!
What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'?

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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 15 11.13pm
Quote nickgusset at 09 Mar 2015 10.47pm BINGO! What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'? Being a teacher you really should know what it means. It refers to a politically active, socially concerned and educated section of the wannabe or actual middle classes. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 11.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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BINGO!
What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'?

Being a teacher you really should know what it means.

It refers to a politically active, socially concerned and educated section of the wannabe or actual middle classes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 11.13pm)

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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 10.37pm Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis See the 2014 study by University College,London academics, "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" "Prof Christian Dustmann, co-author of the study and director of the centre, said... that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”. The study shows that not only are European migrants more highly educated than the UK-born workforce but they are less likely to be in receipt of state benefits – 43% less likely among migrants in the past decade – and more likely to be in employment. They are 7% less likely to live in social housing". It is,for example,far from clear that the "burden" on the NHS would decrease rather than increase from EU withdrawal,given the older (and thus needing more costly health care) profile of many British migrants to the EU as opposed to EU migrants into Britain. Sometimes the saying "be careful what you wish for" is worth not overlooking. [Link] What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available. To get to any conclusion on the impact of changes to the immigration system several guesses and estimations have to be made.....To present things as definite is intellectual folly or deliberate politics. The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous. Anyone who has taught Eastern Europeans knows this.....It's not normally about intelligence, it's about language skills.....And that takes years to master....In which time most of them have buggered off to be replaced by a fresh lot of poorly spoken English mumblers here to take the low skilled job opportunities of British workers and add to housing provision problems/infrastructure stress. Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary. You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the chattering classes of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them. As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm) Stirling, You are quite right,judgements are just an opinion which is precisely why I wrote "may" in the first line of my post. Your own judgements are just an opinion as much as anyone else's, your recent experiences,which you hypocritically then describe as "the reality", are based on teaching in a small town in/on the borders of East Anglia ,as opposed to mine in London meeting migrants with great English language proficiency on a regular basis,whether serving coffee,as friends or working in highly skilled jobs. No less valid or indicative than your own of "most" migrants. That said,and allowing for "lies,lies and damned statistics",academics can carry out statistical research,which can't just be dismissed by the kind of silly prejudice you have written above about some of them. As for the NHS,you have misunderstood my point.I was not talking about staffing levels.Rather,user demand. As for fear mongering, I fear (no pun intended) I am a mere stripling compared to yourself... Edited by legaleagle (10 Mar 2015 9.14am)
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Quote legaleagle at 09 Mar 2015 9.06am

I appreciate that is your perception.Only problem is, it may not actually be objectively correct.But don't let that affect your analysis

[Link]

What amuses me legal is that you think that there is any judgement or perception can be labelled as 'objectively correct' as that itself is pure perception. As for university academics they usually are the biggest load of lefties available.

The overtly biased snippet of commentary that you provided totally forgoes the reality that most EU immigrants don't speak English very well.....In Essence they could be as smart or qualified to the nines...They just can't operate in the jobs they are qualified for......The whole commentary is ridiculous.

Also the usual fear mongering over the NHS is ridiculous. demand would see supply and those jobs would be filled soon enough. I know plenty of youngsters who would like a job in the NHS. UKIP has already said that skilled jobs would be exempt in previous commentary.

You're just putting out the usual fear mongering. As usual the chattering classes of the left just prove that they don't really care about the British working class and in reality have abandoned them.

As Nick says....His loyalty is the world, not here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 10.41pm)

Stirling,

You are quite right,judgements are just an opinion which is precisely why I wrote "may" in the first line of my post. Your own judgements are just an opinion as much as anyone else's, your recent experiences,which you hypocritically then describe as "the reality", are based on teaching in a small town in/on the borders of East Anglia ,as opposed to mine in London meeting migrants with great English language proficiency on a regular basis,whether serving coffee,as friends or working in highly skilled jobs. No less valid or indicative than your own of "most" migrants.

That said,and allowing for "lies,lies and damned statistics",academics can carry out statistical research,which can't just be dismissed by the kind of silly prejudice you have written above about some of them.

As for the NHS,you have misunderstood my point.I was not talking about staffing levels.Rather,user demand.

As for fear mongering, I fear (no pun intended) I am a mere stripling compared to yourself...

Edited by legaleagle (10 Mar 2015 9.14am)

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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Mar 2015 11.13pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Mar 2015 10.47pm BINGO! What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'? Being a teacher you really should know what it means. It refers to a politically active, socially concerned and educated section of the wannabe or actual middle classes. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 11.13pm) ..... I think Nick was more interested in shouting BINGO (for buzzwords/phrases) but has had plenty of opportunities to do this for the phrase 'Swivel-Eyed' and rejected it.
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BINGO!
What do you actually mean by 'chattering classes'?

Being a teacher you really should know what it means.

It refers to a politically active, socially concerned and educated section of the wannabe or actual middle classes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2015 11.13pm)

..... I think Nick was more interested in shouting BINGO (for buzzwords/phrases) but has had plenty of opportunities to do this for the phrase 'Swivel-Eyed' and rejected it.

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TheJudge 10 Mar 15 9.52pm
i See this thread is rolling on with the usual pro immigration propaganda. There is a large towns worth of people coming here each year net and yet we have a massive housing shortage that the left bang on about. How is this good ? We have Eastern European criminals hiding in Britain to avoid capture. How is this good ? We have various religions and ideologies that have hated each other for hundreds of years now hating each other in Britain as well and preaching the politics of division. Then we have our own right wing idiots hating them all on top of that. How is this good ? No, the only people who are happy are the business man and those who fly the flag of the rainbow nation despite the fact that the human race clearly has not evolved anything like enough to make it work. So tell me why totally uncontrolled mass immigration is good for the average man in Britain again ? I can't remember.
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TheJudge

10 Mar 15 9.52pm

i See this thread is rolling on with the usual pro immigration propaganda.

There is a large towns worth of people coming here each year net and yet we have a massive housing shortage that the left bang on about. How is this good ?
We have Eastern European criminals hiding in Britain to avoid capture. How is this good ?

We have various religions and ideologies that have hated each other for hundreds of years now hating each other in Britain as well and preaching the politics of division. Then we have our own right wing idiots hating them all on top of that. How is this good ?

No, the only people who are happy are the business man and those who fly the flag of the rainbow nation despite the fact that the human race clearly has not evolved anything like enough to make it work.

So tell me why totally uncontrolled mass immigration is good for the average man in Britain again ? I can't remember.

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