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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 24 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
That is the point to which I am drawn, hence I used the word 'obfuscate' (ooh la la!). I'm quite ignorant of any 'sensible approach' so if there has been one and it's failed, point taken. However, I do not see the current approach as effective. The population, at large, will work off stereotypes. The stereotypes that exist around the green approach for me do therefore dilute and distort any message, regardless of the actual issue at hand. The issue for me is the constant green taxation. It doesn't change anything, it just makes things cost more.
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Jul 24 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm not offering an opinion - I don't pretend you can just scratch your arse and decide an 'opinion' on a complicated science. I listen to people who are qualified to offer an opinion on these topics - their opinion is absolutely more accurate and correct than yours, yes. Again, are there any other scientific fields where you feel you know better than the people who study it, or just this one? Look do you know the answer or not. Wissie was the one who my reply was for but you jumped in. I have an opinion like you, which clearly differs from yours. Make my opinion a bad one and I will admit I am wrong but from where I am sitting not one scientist has put this answer in writing, only the cancelled ones maybe but the eminent ones you believe haven’t. us v nature. It’s quite simple really .
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EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 17 Jul 24 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Look do you know the answer or not. Wissie was the one who my reply was for but you jumped in. I have an opinion like you, which clearly differs from yours. Make my opinion a bad one and I will admit I am wrong but from where I am sitting not one scientist has put this answer in writing, only the cancelled ones maybe but the eminent ones you believe haven’t. us v nature. It’s quite simple really . It’s not simple at all, that’s the point I’m making - you’re trying to condense a hugely complex question into a one word answer. If you’re actually interested, there are loads of studies online attempting to discuss exactly your question - here’s one by the EPA for starters: [Link]
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jul 24 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Look do you know the answer or not. Wissie was the one who my reply was for but you jumped in. I have an opinion like you, which clearly differs from yours. Make my opinion a bad one and I will admit I am wrong but from where I am sitting not one scientist has put this answer in writing, only the cancelled ones maybe but the eminent ones you believe haven’t. us v nature. It’s quite simple really . Irrespective of the science, the new drive towards green is mostly about creating new business. The punter will have to pay for all sorts of new 'green' technology, no doubt, either via tax or by being forced to replace existing technology. Labour are all about a bigger state. More layers of administration, the welfare state and setting up ridiculous quangos. If it is as well thought as their house building ideas then it is doomed to fail.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 18 Jul 24 9.38pm |
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I keep hearing " thousands of new well paid green jobs ". THat's great, where will they be and what will they actually be doing? Will the new civil service jobs at Great British Energy be included. There will be a negative to include as jobs in the energy sector are lost, North Sea oil jobs for example. Solar panels, China makes 80% currently, is the Govt going to pump money into UK manufacture. Per a Bain report, net zero by 2030 will cost @ 240,000 FTE jobs.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 24 9.20am |
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So senior members of the new government have all said and I paraphrase that : The economy is a disaster We can argue whether this is all true or whether it is political hyperbole but my point is this. Having identified that pretty much everything the Tories did has wrecked this country Labour are actually setting themselves up to fail. At some point towards the end of their term the public will start to judge Labour on their performance. If they have not built enough houses for example the public and the opposition would be right to point out that they knew this was a problem from day one and did nothing. Personally I would agree that the NHS and Migration is a disaster but Rachel Reeves comments on the economy are a little over the top. It can always be better but most of the key numbers are not bad. Some of the other sectors need improving but are not as bad as they have said. Anyway this is the risk of over exaggerating that if you do not fix it then it will blow up in your face. Perhaps they should have been a bit more prudent about what they said. I fully expect the opposition parties to throw these comments back in their face in 4 years time.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jul 24 9.40am |
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The government have just announced two very good initiatives.
I have been saying for a long time that the potential workforce in England has to be better utilised and that huge amounts of revenue is lost through dodgy foreign businesses avoiding tax. I don't buy the idea that this will reduce illegals arriving here. Now what we need is incentives for women to have more children.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Jul 24 11.08am |
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I agree , in theory I like both these ideas
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jul 24 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The government have just announced two very good initiatives.
I have been saying for a long time that the potential workforce in England has to be better utilised and that huge amounts of revenue is lost through dodgy foreign businesses avoiding tax. I don't buy the idea that this will reduce illegals arriving here. Now what we need is incentives for women to have more children. Ensuring that those they will have the children with are modern, caring and responsible potential fathers prepared to take their share of the load would be a good first step.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jul 24 11.22am |
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I like some of the ideas and obviously not others, but it just seems like big commitments with no obvious means of paying for it. Like they are spending (borrowing) on the projection of growth they haven't got. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2024 11.22am)
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| The Dolphin 22 Jul 24 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So senior members of the new government have all said and I paraphrase that : The economy is a disaster We can argue whether this is all true or whether it is political hyperbole but my point is this. Having identified that pretty much everything the Tories did has wrecked this country Labour are actually setting themselves up to fail. At some point towards the end of their term the public will start to judge Labour on their performance. If they have not built enough houses for example the public and the opposition would be right to point out that they knew this was a problem from day one and did nothing. Personally I would agree that the NHS and Migration is a disaster but Rachel Reeves comments on the economy are a little over the top. It can always be better but most of the key numbers are not bad. Some of the other sectors need improving but are not as bad as they have said. Anyway this is the risk of over exaggerating that if you do not fix it then it will blow up in your face. Perhaps they should have been a bit more prudent about what they said. I fully expect the opposition parties to throw these comments back in their face in 4 years time.
They have spent every waking moment telling us that the Tories left a mess and are concentrating far too much on that.
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| The Dolphin 22 Jul 24 11.25am |
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Also - how are they going to fund the over inflation public sector pay rises, which if they go out across the board, will cost £23billion apparently.
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