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 palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 20 Jun 24 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
we have all met many of these, often living tens of thousands of miles away. Deluded looneys. you get them in the USA, India, Japan and loads of places. Or, as they are known colloquially, “Man Utd fans”
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 24 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You claim to hate religion, and yet you live in this delusion of quasi religious ideology. You argue around in circles because you want to stop others being 'wrong'. Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense. This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”. It’s not difficult to understand. Trying to determine anyone’s ethnicity on genetics doesn’t work. It’s neither accurate nor practical. How on earth do you propose to do it? Insist everyone takes a DNA test? Then exclude those who don’t meet a level that you have determined meets a particular criteria? I shudder to think how many would be shocked to learn that they are no longer English. Or do you think it should be done on appearance alone? So those whose skin tones or nose sizes aren’t right get excluded. This seems to be what is actually driving these ideas. Once again there would be some really odd outcomes. It’s nonsensical. Ethnicity is a cultural matter. If you treasure English values and our heritage, behave to our standards and consider yourself to be English then why should anybody else try to interfere. Why should your opinion matter more than how somebody feels about themselves? Especially when we need people who care about our culture and values. By your standards we would include some complete tossers who couldn’t care less about these important issues whilst excluding many who do. It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jun 24 3.45pm |
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This guy thinks that by continually repeating the same b0llocks that people will believe it. The actual truth is that genes are a significant input into any outcome, ethnicity included. Anyone saying otherwise is selling you something and waffling ideology not reality. In his case it's because he's seemingly frightened by nationalism and wants to mix everything up. Still living out the Hitler Jewish genocide meme of eighty years ago. That approach actually ends up creating what he says he's afraid of but....perhaps instinctively or subconsciously he wants that as well....don't know. Demonic. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2024 3.47pm)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jun 24 6.48pm |
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'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 24 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense. This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”. It’s not difficult to understand. Trying to determine anyone’s ethnicity on genetics doesn’t work. It’s neither accurate nor practical. How on earth do you propose to do it? Insist everyone takes a DNA test? Then exclude those who don’t meet a level that you have determined meets a particular criteria? I shudder to think how many would be shocked to learn that they are no longer English. Or do you think it should be done on appearance alone? So those whose skin tones or nose sizes aren’t right get excluded. This seems to be what is actually driving these ideas. Once again there would be some really odd outcomes. It’s nonsensical. Ethnicity is a cultural matter. If you treasure English values and our heritage, behave to our standards and consider yourself to be English then why should anybody else try to interfere. Why should your opinion matter more than how somebody feels about themselves? Especially when we need people who care about our culture and values. By your standards we would include some complete tossers who couldn’t care less about these important issues whilst excluding many who do. It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either. Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jun 24 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'. I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 21 Jun 24 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am) Best way to extinguish a fire is deny it oxygen
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| Stirlingsays 21 Jun 24 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones. God knows what he'd say today.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 21 Jun 24 12.52pm |
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in terms of DNA, different National identities must surely have a different gauge for Multicultural influences. At the extremes.....ANYBODY can claim to be an American. Regardless of ancestry. Got the accent, got the paperwork ? bang, you are a yank. And at the other extreme are loads of countries that are relatively a Mono-culture. Mongolia, Finland, Japan etc. Its extremely difficult to just walk into those places and take the p1.ss by claiming to be from there. England and Englishness is certainly closer to the American model than the Mongolian mono culture. Sterling is arguing strongly for dna, but i can only half agree with him. Or maybe only a quarter. Che Guevara was not Irish, no matter what a dna test is telling us. Nor the tons of Murphys, Gallaghers, and O'Briens in New York or wearing a Chelsea shirt. Not really fully irish. Accent & upbringing matters a lot. To exaggerate the argument of Sterling, Clint Eastwood is more English than Declan Rice, Jack Grealish, Conor Gallagher, Kalvin Phillips Harry Maguire, and Harry Kane.... who are all mostly irish genes. what makes you English.....accent, languages known, paperwork, allegiance & upbringing spent in England, family ties, place of birth, local schooling & friends. Clint Eastwood is not English - even with the dna. Conor Gallagher is not really irish. James Gandalfini was not really Italian....even though he could speak excellent Italian. Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Jun 2024 1.16pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am) Another seriously puzzling comment! The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with! I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above. You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong. That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing! Not any pet conspiracy theories.
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Teddy Eagle  21 Jun 24 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Another seriously puzzling comment! The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with! I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above. You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong. That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing! Not any pet conspiracy theories.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 3.17pm |
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Anyone who constantly posts that genes have a significant input into ethnicity is just repeating b0ll0cks in the hope that some believe it. Unfortunately it seems that some here do! Which says a whole lot more about the population here than ever it does about the verocity of the claim.
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