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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 6.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think you will find that people eat less red meat than they used to. They have always eaten fried food. The only thing that has changed in recent history is the availability of take away food and a reduction in energy expenditure. I regret to say that as there are a lot of myths surrounding food the science lessons are often needed. I was involved in trying to undo some of the damage done by “E for Additives”, one of the biggest sources of misinformation in my lifetime. This was my business for 40 years so I am well enough versed in the subject to express an opinion. I am not a food scientist but I employed several and needed to understand the science. That our diets are very poor is undoubtedly true. Sedentary lifestyles are definitely a big factor as, for some, is the consumption of fast and take away food. It’s more than this though. We are wedded to convenience, even though there has been a big effort to get people cooking again. Food is too cheap and quality not valued by enough people, the primary cause of which is poor education. When people are struggling to just pay the bills and don’t place a high value on a healthy diet, getting them to change is very hard. When I consider how important eating a healthy and interesting diet is to our continental neighbours and realise the benefits it brings them it makes me ashamed. I don’t know the answer but hope we stop looking at the USA for inspiration and look much closer to home.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Maybe in Cornwall Certainly in Cornwall but elsewhere too. There is goodness everywhere if only you look for it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 6.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No one is saying there aren't. Just that their chances of success are very small. Things are getting worse, not better. I think that’s very cynical. I have seen some terrific work done locally by selfless people who would be upset for anyone to think their success was very small. They don’t and nor do those they help. The growth of local community groups on social media inspires all kinds of support groups to spring up. I am perfectly sure that this isn’t just a phenomenon local to me and that good people exist everywhere. There’s more need these days but I also think there’s more trying to help.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Apr 24 7.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I regret to say that as there are a lot of myths surrounding food the science lessons are often needed. I was involved in trying to undo some of the damage done by “E for Additives”, one of the biggest sources of misinformation in my lifetime. This was my business for 40 years so I am well enough versed in the subject to express an opinion. I am not a food scientist but I employed several and needed to understand the science. That our diets are very poor is undoubtedly true. Sedentary lifestyles are definitely a big factor as, for some, is the consumption of fast and take away food. It’s more than this though. We are wedded to convenience, even though there has been a big effort to get people cooking again. Food is too cheap and quality not valued by enough people, the primary cause of which is poor education. When people are struggling to just pay the bills and don’t place a high value on a healthy diet, getting them to change is very hard. When I consider how important eating a healthy and interesting diet is to our continental neighbours and realise the benefits it brings them it makes me ashamed. I don’t know the answer but hope we stop looking at the USA for inspiration and look much closer to home. I agree, that's generally correct. I did read an article the other day that suggested that the so called Mediterranean diet was actually being abandoned by the youth of southern Europe in favour of junk food. That's globalism for you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Apr 2024 7.45pm)
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Teddy Eagle 07 Apr 24 7.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think that’s very cynical. I have seen some terrific work done locally by selfless people who would be upset for anyone to think their success was very small. They don’t and nor do those they help. The growth of local community groups on social media inspires all kinds of support groups to spring up. I am perfectly sure that this isn’t just a phenomenon local to me and that good people exist everywhere. There’s more need these days but I also think there’s more trying to help. I don't think it's cynical; I think it's realistic. Yes, good people do exist everywhere but I am equally perfectly sure that society's problems will not be solved by some form of paternalistic benevolence and to think they will be is to misunderstand the situation.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 8.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree, that's generally correct. I did read an article the other day that suggested that the so called Mediterranean diet was actually being abandoned by the youth of southern Europe in favour of junk food. That's globalism for you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Apr 2024 7.45pm) I welcome the agreement. I haven’t read that article but don’t doubt it’s finding. I have observed much the same in other places. Everywhere that American culture is admired the youth want to imitate it. Fast food is part of that. I hope though it’s only temporary and what they have learned at school, and at home, takes centre stage as they mature. Mexico seems likely to be the same. After all many of their citizens seem to want to get to the USA. Less Globalism and more Americanism perhaps?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I don't think it's cynical; I think it's realistic. Yes, good people do exist everywhere but I am equally perfectly sure that society's problems will not be solved by some form of paternalistic benevolence and to think they will be is to misunderstand the situation. I haven’t suggested it could be solved by such things, only that they exist and do make a difference. Something that you seemed to dismiss out of hand. To connect the expense of the Covid response to this is disingenuous. There is no connection, and could be none. They are completely separate issues. One was a decision taken by government facing an emergency situation with a new virus spreading out of control and without any preventative medicines available. The outcome was unknown but the worst case scenarios demanded extreme measures be taken. They had no other choice but to spend the money. There were no past lessons to refer to. We are trying to learn them now, just in case a similar situation occurs. The other is an ongoing problem. Among many ongoing problems.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Apr 24 8.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I haven’t suggested it could be solved by such things, only that they exist and do make a difference. Something that you seemed to dismiss out of hand. To connect the expense of the Covid response to this is disingenuous. There is no connection, and could be none. They are completely separate issues. One was a decision taken by government facing an emergency situation with a new virus spreading out of control and without any preventative medicines available. The outcome was unknown but the worst case scenarios demanded extreme measures be taken. They had no other choice but to spend the money. There were no past lessons to refer to. We are trying to learn them now, just in case a similar situation occurs. The other is an ongoing problem. Among many ongoing problems. But these initiatives are already taking place. Do they make a difference? Not much apparently.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Apr 24 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But these initiatives are already taking place. Do they make a difference? Not much apparently. There simply is no connection between the need to avoid a potential complete breakdown of our healthcare system, with an incalculable number of deaths and unknown consequences for our country and its future. The cost was certainly unknown but better to bear those costs than not being around to bear them. People forget too easily just what a cliff edge we faced and look back with the benefit of hindsight, the comfort of the vaccines and the knowledge we have now and think they know better. They don’t. They just thought they did at the time. Crimes of many kinds are a continuous problem. Always have been and probably always will. The cry of it’s getting worse has been heard by me for 70 years in one way or another. Doubtless in some places, for some crimes it is. That’s nothing new though, even if that is little comfort to those impacted.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Apr 24 10.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There simply is no connection between the need to avoid a potential complete breakdown of our healthcare system, with an incalculable number of deaths and unknown consequences for our country and its future. The cost was certainly unknown but better to bear those costs than not being around to bear them. People forget too easily just what a cliff edge we faced and look back with the benefit of hindsight, the comfort of the vaccines and the knowledge we have now and think they know better. They don’t. They just thought they did at the time. Crimes of many kinds are a continuous problem. Always have been and probably always will. The cry of it’s getting worse has been heard by me for 70 years in one way or another. Doubtless in some places, for some crimes it is. That’s nothing new though, even if that is little comfort to those impacted. No, it isn't any comfort at all. Thousands of youngsters and their families all over the country are also facing a cliff edge.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 24 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No, it isn't any comfort at all. Thousands of youngsters and their families all over the country are also facing a cliff edge. Of course it’s not alright! However, it’s better than those youngsters facing an uncertain future in which they lost their grandparents, and possibly their parents, to Covid in a completely broken economy. Regrettable though it is it is sometimes necessary to choose between the lesser of two evils.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Apr 24 8.16am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it’s not alright! However, it’s better than those youngsters facing an uncertain future in which they lost their grandparents, and possibly their parents, to Covid in a completely broken economy. Regrettable though it is it is sometimes necessary to choose between the lesser of two evils. It's certainly more broken than it was before spending C £400 bn.
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