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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They'll never win any argument based on subjectivity. Accepting referees can make mistakes, or be unsighted, is one thing but VAR should have at least recommended the ref reviewed the incidents. What is sometimes not in the forefront of minds is that the VAR can adjudge the incident to be worthy of a penalty but then has to decide whether it is a "Clear and obvious error" and this of course is a matter of subjectivity and possible controversy.
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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 24 10.20am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
A reference to a single game in the illustrious career of Mark Clattenburg who of course refereed in the Champions League final and the Euro 2016 final. Feck him
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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 24 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They'll never win any argument based on subjectivity. Accepting referees can make mistakes, or be unsighted, is one thing but VAR should have at least recommended the ref reviewed the incidents. If Clatternburg is behind all this then he has no respect for his fellow referees. If it is the club / owner I would suggest that Clattenburg tell the club this is not what he signed on for and he is being made to look foolish.
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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 24 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
What is sometimes not in the forefront of minds is that the VAR can adjudge the incident to be worthy of a penalty but then has to decide whether it is a "Clear and obvious error" and this of course is a matter of subjectivity and possible controversy. That was the intention but VAR gets involved in offside decisions which are so ridiculously close that there can't be any clear or obvious error.
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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 24 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If Clatternburg is behind all this then he has no respect for his fellow referees. If it is the club / owner I would suggest that Clattenburg tell the club this is not what he signed on for and he is being made to look foolish. Surely an example of the horse having bolted.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That was the intention but VAR gets involved in offside decisions which are so ridiculously close that there can't be any clear or obvious error. The "Clear and obvious' does not apply to offside decisions as they are deemed factual based on the lines that are drawn to determine whether a player is offside or onside.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That was the intention but VAR gets involved in offside decisions which are so ridiculously close that there can't be any clear or obvious error. Apparently Anthony Taylor informed the players that both Young and Hudson-Odoi touched the ball. Edited by Willo (23 Apr 2024 10.43am)
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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 24 10.51am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Apparently Anthony Taylor informed the players that both Young and Hudson-Odoi touched the ball. Edited by Willo (23 Apr 2024 10.43am) So another clear and obvious error. Who watches the watchers?
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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 24 10.52am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
The "Clear and obvious' does not apply to offside decisions as they are deemed factual based on the lines that are drawn to determine whether a player is offside or onside. What about handballs which may or may not be above the mythical
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Apr 24 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So another clear and obvious error. Who watches the watchers? I can only re-iterate that "Clear and obvious" introduces subjectivity. Edited by Willo (23 Apr 2024 11.00am)
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Apr 24 10.57am | |
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When VAR was introduced I had a couple of concerns, over the way it was to be used and the officials using it. Whenever the subject of VAR comes up in conversation, I have yet to meet anybody that thinks it's been a genuine improvement to the game. Instead it's almost become another point of failure. But rather than rehashing all that, my question is - if it was scrapped would managers, players and fans be more tolerant of referees going forward ?
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 23 Apr 24 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
A reference to a single game in the illustrious career of Mark Clattenburg who of course refereed in the Champions League final and the Euro 2016 final. Illustrious career? The most anti Palace referee in the history of referees. Witness the shenanigans with Ferguson prior to the Cup Final.....he also refereed GLADIATORS, proof enough that he is/was a complete t***!!
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