Exactly, that is what makes him crap, with the size of club we are you have to fit the style with the players, not the players to the style.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

This is a key point. Managers all have their idea as to how their team should play but you can only work with the players you have.

Dave Bassett used to say he played the long ball out of necessity that he would love to play like a Man United but didn't have the players.

I am starting to doubt PV.

Under Hodgson the players did work hard and the team played with energy Roy was a pragmatist. That is currently lacking and I don't think it is lazy players but tactics.

A great striker will score a goal with one chance, a good striker may need 2/3 chances to score. We need to increase the number of chances are strikers get we could start by crossing the ball a bit more and by counter attacking at pace.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Feb 2023 10.24am)

One more point

Just watched the game and concur with what most of you have said. We may have enough of a gap to survive but look pretty much the worst team in the division.
Vieira really should go. He showed absolutely no emotion when we scored. Zilch. And there was an article in the Athletic the other day where he bemoaned the lack of black managers. It's a fair point but it came across as though he was daring Palace to sack him.

Bielsa would probably come if we hired him as soon as the season ended, He'd get the team running and we have some younger players he would probably welcome working with

So you've passed judgement based upon what exactly ?

PV said that he thought we would benefit from some experience in midfield. The club presented him with two players that have very little and none.

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We are in decline and the manager is annoying me by his apparent 'satisfaction' and 'we were well organised' comments, etc.

He is either an idiot or very naive and it is worrying that he seems to have zero motivation skills.

When someone (Derry) speaks out he gets the boot. Also worrying is he seems to be following the trend at all his previous clubs - a promising start and then a slow (and terminal) decline.

On the bright (!) side we have got 3 more points than predicted from our games v. United, Newcastle and Brighton so we must be thankful for that .....

I do understand those doubting or starting to doubt Vieira.

It's a results business, and they haven't been good enough recently.

However, I've referred to it before, but our current situation is much the same as Potter's second season at Brighton. And they were struggling near the bottom, not halfway up the table. A lot of their fans wanted him sacked - didn't agree with his team selections, tactics etc etc. At the end of that season it would have been a relatively easy decision to sack him. They didn't, instead they backed him and we all know what happened next.

So if the club keep faith with PV, and I hope they do, I;d like to see him receive more backing in the summer.

I think there are a number of disconnects running throughout Palace at the moment. And they start at the top.

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