I'm not sure where you get the figure that electric rads are 1.5x bigger. The wave ones I have are smaller for the same BTU's.

And as for digging up the floor for underfloor heating why do you need to do that?

My house has suspended wooden floors. I replaced the carpet with machined wood floors and insulation underneath. That improved the heat retention dramatically. In the kitchen, down stairs loo and utility room I installed underfloor heating under tiles. I removed the old tiles and installed ply screwed to the boards, then re-enforced insulation boards, followed by the underfloor electric heating and then the tiles. It increased the height by 8mm so I adjusted the height of the units and installed new worktops. Again the kitchen/loo and utility rooms are now much warmer.

The garden room tiles were replaced so it made sense to install underfloor electric heating under those new tiles as well. We only use it when entertaining in the garden room over winter.

The windows are being replaced with triple glazed windows in September, which I purchased myself and are being installed under building control. They cost £11,200. My builder will install them for 5-7.5K and Building control is £250.

I was quoted £45K by a FENSA window and door company.

These actions have made the place much cozier even though it was built in the 1930's and does not have cavity walls (single 9 inch brick), other than the newly built garden room, which has cavity walls.

So if you think about what you can do you can insulate older properties adequately.

I'm in the camp that still feels that Hydrogen will replace gas over time. My new gas boiler is hydrogen ready, with some minor tweeks.

my next project is to insulate the upstairs dormers. The flat roof is being replaced with rubber and at the same time will be insulated in the ceiling and around the sides with the current tiles replaced by board cladding and insulation.

Yes, I'm fortunate to be in a position to afford this but in the long term these actions will pay for themselves though lower energy bills.

You raise an interesting point; the cost you were quoted is more than double what you seem to be able to conclude the work for. I fear that society will be bullied into paying for these improvements by propaganda. I am sure the FENSA salesman would be very persuasive in some situations….my cousin lives in a property that is listed (one of Henry VIII overnight stops!). She wanted to go green and had sales people around to discuss heat pumps and other stuff. The salesman promised that it would work but she had the sense to engage an independent specialist surveyor for a second opinion. The property couldn’t be made airtight enough to work properly and the listed status prevented various improvements. Just a cautionary warning that this sort of thing will likely become more prevalent as we move forward.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

That’s ok but what about before records began. Yes I’m being petty and you won’t find one post that I have denied climate change is happening or that we arnt involved in it. My point all along is how much is us and how much is a natural cycle.

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He has great security. They wore sophisticated camouflage to beat it.

Red and Blue Army!

Who hmg or greenpeace ?

The entire thing is a scam. A clever, well thought out one. The solution, on all kinds of levels with saving the Polar Bear as perhaps the least of all the concerns, has been with us since the 50's. Nuclear.

And ever since, the entire 'enviromental' movement has been designed slag off Nuclear whilst pushing alternatives to fossil fuels that are so ludicrous as to be beyond belief. A great example is 'Friends of the Earth'. Started with initial funding from the head of an Oil company. And focused from almost the beginning on being anti-Nuclear.

The Petro-Dollar has corrupted almost every major nation in the world and is not going to let that influence go without a fight. Look how the world sucks up to the likes of the Saudis. Barbarians on almost any and every level concievable.

And if you think I am talking out of my arse, answer me this. These current JSO arseholes. Imagine inventing a 'protest' movement that makes me as angry as those dickheads do? Genius in someways.

Also do a little research. The two leading lights in the current wave of nuclear technology are Russia and China. And who is the West trying to pick a war with?

Our political elites sold their souls to the Arabs decades ago. And we are all effectively in bondage to that.

Real freedom is independent energy capacity. And that is being taken away from us, month on month.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.