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Helmet46 Croydon 20 Oct 21 6.32pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others. They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people. Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall. He's best ignored. Lol - there are a number of similar posters I have decided not to engage with. I like a decent, intelligent and rational debate. Sadly, I have concluded that we have posters that are incapable of that, so I simply don’t engage as it’s pointless. Quite frankly you cannot debate with people who lack balance. I make you right. Edited by Helmet46 (21 Oct 2021 6.19am)
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Croydon 20 Oct 21 6.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others.

They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people.

Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall.

He's best ignored.

Lol - there are a number of similar posters I have decided not to engage with. I like a decent, intelligent and rational debate. Sadly, I have concluded that we have posters that are incapable of that, so I simply don’t engage as it’s pointless.
Quite frankly you cannot debate with people who lack balance.

I make you right.

Edited by Helmet46 (21 Oct 2021 6.19am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.10pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio make a list of muslim countries with a good track record on .... - the tolerance of gays ( and their human rights ) - freedom of speech - freedom of religion ( or the ability to be an atheist without getting murdered ) - animal rights - womens rights - polygamy etc etc. You have basically said ''not all muslims are like that'' ....my reply, all muslim countries are. This is nonsense. We aren't, nor ever will be, a Muslim country, so what happens in those that are has no direct impact at all on us. Our laws apply to all citizens, and I am the first to defend them. That won't ever change. That you conflate what happens in backward Islamic countries with what you fear for us is ignorant fearmongering. Much more likely is the gradual spread of tolerance and understanding from our Muslim communities into the backward ones, accelerated by their growth and development. In the meantime we have to face the reality that nutcases exist and some escape the security services. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.10pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

make a list of muslim countries with a good track record on ....

- the tolerance of gays ( and their human rights )
- freedom of speech

- freedom of religion ( or the ability to be an atheist without getting murdered )
- animal rights

- womens rights

- polygamy

etc etc. You have basically said ''not all muslims are like that'' ....my reply, all muslim countries are.

This is nonsense. We aren't, nor ever will be, a Muslim country, so what happens in those that are has no direct impact at all on us.

Our laws apply to all citizens, and I am the first to defend them. That won't ever change.

That you conflate what happens in backward Islamic countries with what you fear for us is ignorant fearmongering.

Much more likely is the gradual spread of tolerance and understanding from our Muslim communities into the backward ones, accelerated by their growth and development. In the meantime we have to face the reality that nutcases exist and some escape the security services.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.13pm
Originally posted by georgenorman If it is central to the report, why not comment on it, or are you paying a tribute to the Grauniad. That was a typo, sorry. I was in a rush earlier. Now corrected. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.13pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

If it is central to the report, why not comment on it, or are you paying a tribute to the Grauniad.

That was a typo, sorry. I was in a rush earlier. Now corrected.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.18pm
Originally posted by BlueJay The problem is that there are certain realities that we have to face and deal with, rather than wishlist. Immigration policies can be looked at (but since when does government listen to concerns there, even post Brexit). In addition there's freedom of speech, so regardless of what we feel about peoples beliefs as long as they stay with the law, they are free to their opinions. Where people go too far, there's both plenty of successes, but also unfortunately plausible deniability of intent, for those who are on the radar of PREVENT and the like. Still, in any demographic the vast majority of people are peaceful. Working from where we are, improving community relations, combined with increased infiltration both online and offline of groups that form part of the patchwork of a path to warped ideologies would be useful. I'm sure we're already doing both to some extent. Beyond that we need to take another look at social media. Many of that accounts stoking societal division aren't even in this country or from people who even hold those beliefs anyway. They're looking to pick at other cultures faultlines. The especially tribal become so linear and limited in thought and nomenclature that it's hardly difficult to emulate, yet still acts to indoctrinate. Sharia courts are a bad idea as they firm up the insular idea with people that they can be part of a country but adhere to their own laws or customs.. and gradually expect others to follow. We see this kind of backward behaviour outside of schools where there are serious threats due to the teaching of same sex relationships, and where there are images of Mohammad shown. And crimes that clearly have in part an 'us and them' religious basis. It's fine to be accepting of faiths, but not to the point of, through fear, kowtowing to societies that are unhealthily restrictive. Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 5.41pm) Do you object to people trying to find inexpensive ways to settle disputes via mediation? If not why object to a community deciding to handle this in a way they feel comfortable with? Others do the same. These aren't "courts". They are merely mediators. They have no legal basis at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.18pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

The problem is that there are certain realities that we have to face and deal with, rather than wishlist.

Immigration policies can be looked at (but since when does government listen to concerns there, even post Brexit). In addition there's freedom of speech, so regardless of what we feel about peoples beliefs as long as they stay with the law, they are free to their opinions. Where people go too far, there's both plenty of successes, but also unfortunately plausible deniability of intent, for those who are on the radar of PREVENT and the like. Still, in any demographic the vast majority of people are peaceful.

Working from where we are, improving community relations, combined with increased infiltration both online and offline of groups that form part of the patchwork of a path to warped ideologies would be useful. I'm sure we're already doing both to some extent.

Beyond that we need to take another look at social media. Many of that accounts stoking societal division aren't even in this country or from people who even hold those beliefs anyway. They're looking to pick at other cultures faultlines. The especially tribal become so linear and limited in thought and nomenclature that it's hardly difficult to emulate, yet still acts to indoctrinate.

Sharia courts are a bad idea as they firm up the insular idea with people that they can be part of a country but adhere to their own laws or customs.. and gradually expect others to follow. We see this kind of backward behaviour outside of schools where there are serious threats due to the teaching of same sex relationships, and where there are images of Mohammad shown. And crimes that clearly have in part an 'us and them' religious basis. It's fine to be accepting of faiths, but not to the point of, through fear, kowtowing to societies that are unhealthily restrictive.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Oct 2021 5.41pm)

Do you object to people trying to find inexpensive ways to settle disputes via mediation?

If not why object to a community deciding to handle this in a way they feel comfortable with?

Others do the same. These aren't "courts". They are merely mediators. They have no legal basis at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others. They are content to see the steady drip of Islamic influence and the increased risk of radicalism that inevitably comes with it. He believes that tolerance is all that matters in the face of attacks on our democracy and our people. Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall. He's best ignored. You frequently post garbage, but this is a whole truckload. There is no "steady drip of Islamic influence"! That there is greater inclusiveness of the previously marginalised doesn't imply greater influence. Indeed, the reverse is true. Bringing them under the umbrella will bring them ever closer to us. It certainly doesn't mean that increased radicalisation is "inevitable". The longer people live here, and are more exposed to us, our kindness, tolerance, humour, culture and TV, the less radicalised they will become. The kind of divisive attitude you display is what will increase radicalisation. It will make people feel unwelcome and drive moderates into the arms of those who hate us. For such people exist, and we need everyone on point to help limit the damage they can cause. Especially those from the Muslim community. You are hindering the efforts at finding solutions. The vast majority of our Muslim citizens are as peace loving as the rest of us. To believe we need to employ the same mentality with them as we used to defeat the Nazis is to demonstrate just how twisted your logic is. We need to clearly understand that the enemy is the radicalised extremist, and not the Islamic faith. Fight the enemy with everything at our disposal, but avoid collateral damage to those who can help us. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 8.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not wasting my time on Wisbech or any of the others.

Imagine if we had employed that mentality against the Nazis. You just know that despite all his WW2 rhetoric, he would have been waving the Swastika as the tanks rolled through Cornwall.

He's best ignored.

You frequently post garbage, but this is a whole truckload.

There is no "steady drip of Islamic influence"! That there is greater inclusiveness of the previously marginalised doesn't imply greater influence. Indeed, the reverse is true. Bringing them under the umbrella will bring them ever closer to us.

It certainly doesn't mean that increased radicalisation is "inevitable". The longer people live here, and are more exposed to us, our kindness, tolerance, humour, culture and TV, the less radicalised they will become.

The kind of divisive attitude you display is what will increase radicalisation. It will make people feel unwelcome and drive moderates into the arms of those who hate us. For such people exist, and we need everyone on point to help limit the damage they can cause. Especially those from the Muslim community. You are hindering the efforts at finding solutions.

The vast majority of our Muslim citizens are as peace loving as the rest of us. To believe we need to employ the same mentality with them as we used to defeat the Nazis is to demonstrate just how twisted your logic is.

We need to clearly understand that the enemy is the radicalised extremist, and not the Islamic faith. Fight the enemy with everything at our disposal, but avoid collateral damage to those who can help us.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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BlueJay UK 20 Oct 21 8.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you object to people trying to find inexpensive ways to settle disputes via mediation? If not why object to a community deciding to handle this in a way they feel comfortable with? Others do the same. These aren't "courts". They are merely mediators. They have no legal basis at all. I don't think it sends the right message for it to be done on religious grounds 'if' it gives people ideas about expanding it into more areas of life. Perhaps it doesn't though. I would have to ask Muslim acquaintances about the ins and our of it. I must confess I'm not madly in favour of religions taking centre in any community beyond a simple cultural affinity to it, on account that it hinges on fantasy.
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UK 20 Oct 21 8.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you object to people trying to find inexpensive ways to settle disputes via mediation?

If not why object to a community deciding to handle this in a way they feel comfortable with?

Others do the same. These aren't "courts". They are merely mediators. They have no legal basis at all.

I don't think it sends the right message for it to be done on religious grounds 'if' it gives people ideas about expanding it into more areas of life. Perhaps it doesn't though. I would have to ask Muslim acquaintances about the ins and our of it. I must confess I'm not madly in favour of religions taking centre in any community beyond a simple cultural affinity to it, on account that it hinges on fantasy.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Oct 21 8.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is nonsense. We aren't, nor ever will be, a Muslim country, so what happens in those that are has no direct impact at all on us. Our laws apply to all citizens, and I am the first to defend them. That won't ever change. That you conflate what happens in backward Islamic countries with what you fear for us is ignorant fearmongering. Much more likely is the gradual spread of tolerance and understanding from our Muslim communities into the backward ones, accelerated by their growth and development. In the meantime we have to face the reality that nutcases exist and some escape the security services. so you are saying that we will start with Gay-Pubs in Bradford/Luton and then roll them out across Morocco, Turkey, Egypt, pakistan ? Really ? more deluded nonsense then. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Oct 2021 8.50pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is nonsense. We aren't, nor ever will be, a Muslim country, so what happens in those that are has no direct impact at all on us.

Our laws apply to all citizens, and I am the first to defend them. That won't ever change.

That you conflate what happens in backward Islamic countries with what you fear for us is ignorant fearmongering.

Much more likely is the gradual spread of tolerance and understanding from our Muslim communities into the backward ones, accelerated by their growth and development. In the meantime we have to face the reality that nutcases exist and some escape the security services.

so you are saying that we will start with Gay-Pubs in Bradford/Luton and then roll them out across Morocco, Turkey, Egypt, pakistan ? Really ?

more deluded nonsense then.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Oct 2021 8.50pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 9.55pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio so you are saying that we will start with Gay-Pubs in Bradford/Luton and then roll them out across Morocco, Turkey, Egypt, pakistan ? Really ? more deluded nonsense then. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Oct 2021 8.50pm) What on earth are you talking about? What have gay-pubs got to do with anything? They are hardly representative of our culture. If there is a message to be communicated it is that they show we are tolerant and inclusive, as we are with Islamic culture, but they aren't mainstream. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 21 9.55pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

so you are saying that we will start with Gay-Pubs in Bradford/Luton and then roll them out across Morocco, Turkey, Egypt, pakistan ? Really ?

more deluded nonsense then.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Oct 2021 8.50pm)

What on earth are you talking about?

What have gay-pubs got to do with anything? They are hardly representative of our culture.

If there is a message to be communicated it is that they show we are tolerant and inclusive, as we are with Islamic culture, but they aren't mainstream.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 21 Oct 21 12.03am
I agree with those that suggest the best way to treat posters who consistently post contrarian nonsense from a false moral high point is to simply ignore them and not reply or respond to their posts, however tempting it might be. It's a waste of time, it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect in psychology. This explains [Link] Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 21 Oct 21 12.03am

I agree with those that suggest the best way to treat posters who consistently post contrarian nonsense from a false moral high point is to simply ignore them and not reply or respond to their posts, however tempting it might be.

It's a waste of time, it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect in psychology.

This explains

[Link]

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 21 12.04am
Originally posted by BlueJay I don't think it sends the right message for it to be done on religious grounds 'if' it gives people ideas about expanding it into more areas of life. Perhaps it doesn't though. I would have to ask Muslim acquaintances about the ins and our of it. I must confess I'm not madly in favour of religions taking centre in any community beyond a simple cultural affinity to it, on account that it hinges on fantasy. As an atheist, I find every religious belief perplexing, but less so when a lack of exposure to the modern world exists. From what I understand to be happening is that the religious leaders, who are trusted by their community, mediate between disagreeing parties. There is no religion directly involved. Just trust in the religious. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 21 12.04am

Originally posted by BlueJay

As an atheist, I find every religious belief perplexing, but less so when a lack of exposure to the modern world exists.

From what I understand to be happening is that the religious leaders, who are trusted by their community, mediate between disagreeing parties. There is no religion directly involved. Just trust in the religious.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 21 12.21am
Originally posted by HKOwen I agree with those that suggest the best way to treat posters who consistently post contrarian nonsense from a false moral high point is to simply ignore them and not reply or respond to their posts, however tempting it might be. It's a waste of time, it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect in psychology. This explains [Link] I agree. It's why I no longer use Trump supporting websites. They clearly demonstrate this effect is very real. Of course, there is always the chance that it is the ignorer who deserves to be ignored, but is instead treated with patience and dignity. Not that there was a lot of that on the Trump websites. Whether any poster responds to any other poster is always a personal choice. I know that sufficient people appreciate my contributions, so contrary views, in a place as right leaning as this, are just par for the course, and water off the duck's back. As I have been told several times, if they respond like that, it means you are pricking their bias balloons. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 21 12.21am

Originally posted by HKOwen

It's a waste of time, it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect in psychology.

This explains

[Link]

I agree. It's why I no longer use Trump supporting websites. They clearly demonstrate this effect is very real.

Of course, there is always the chance that it is the ignorer who deserves to be ignored, but is instead treated with patience and dignity. Not that there was a lot of that on the Trump websites.

Whether any poster responds to any other poster is always a personal choice. I know that sufficient people appreciate my contributions, so contrary views, in a place as right leaning as this, are just par for the course, and water off the duck's back.

As I have been told several times, if they respond like that, it means you are pricking their bias balloons.

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Stirlingsays 21 Oct 21 1.56am
Originally posted by fromtherope Khan should be ashamed of himself Sir David did not "pass away" as he states. He was brutally murdered by one of Khan's muslim brotherhood. He is a despicable little man who thinks he is better than the rest. Along with Abbott, Lammy, Rayner and the rest of the left wing cabal. As a country we have lurched far to far on the PC, woke, BLM et al agenda. Sponsored by the BBC, Sky and all of the left wing media. Yes I am a Daily Mail reader but I am also English and proud to be so and I do not want my country to be dragged into the hell this lot would bring. Rant over and I feel better for it. He 'passed away' with 17 blade strikes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Oct 21 1.56am

Originally posted by fromtherope

Khan should be ashamed of himself Sir David did not "pass away" as he states. He was brutally murdered by one of Khan's muslim brotherhood. He is a despicable little man who thinks he is better than the rest. Along with Abbott, Lammy, Rayner and the rest of the left wing cabal.

As a country we have lurched far to far on the PC, woke, BLM et al agenda. Sponsored by the BBC, Sky and all of the left wing media.

Yes I am a Daily Mail reader but I am also English and proud to be so and I do not want my country to be dragged into the hell this lot would bring.

Rant over and I feel better for it.

He 'passed away' with 17 blade strikes.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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