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The Dolphin 09 Nov 21 12.16pm | |
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Unless Howe does an absolutely incredible job by not only keeping them up but also getting them to rise way up the table then he will likely be toast even if they do stay up.
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taylors lovechild 10 Nov 21 7.42am | |
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If they start well then Howe will be fine, but coming from the Bournemouth retirement village I wonder how he'll cope if things don't go well? He seems a bit soft to me and so Toon fans will need to be uncharacteristically supportive if he struggles. Key will be staying in reach of fourth bottom come January as otherwise they'll struggle to attract anyone but gold diggers. I think I can confidently say most PL fans will be grabbing the popcorn and hoping to see the Saudi toontanic sink without a trace.
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Eaglecoops CR3 10 Nov 21 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
If they start well then Howe will be fine, but coming from the Bournemouth retirement village I wonder how he'll cope if things don't go well? He seems a bit soft to me and so Toon fans will need to be uncharacteristically supportive if he struggles. Key will be staying in reach of fourth bottom come January as otherwise they'll struggle to attract anyone but gold diggers. I think I can confidently say most PL fans will be grabbing the popcorn and hoping to see the Saudi toontanic sink without a trace. The pressure to succeed will be too much for Howe I reckon. I must admit the job has always been a bit of a poisoned chalice and even more so now. It will definitely not help Howe or the club that every neutral fan in the country will be hoping they fail. That is an awful lot of negative vibe to wade through.
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Qwijibo Bournemouth 10 Nov 21 5.11pm | |
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If they go down, Howe is perfect to bring them up. His CV has promotions with and without money available. Not all managers can spend money well, and not all managers can exist without it.
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taylors lovechild 18 Nov 21 7.38am | |
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No one is saying it, but is there something a bit fishy about Gary Hoffman's role as head of the PL in The PIF's takeover? In 2010 there was controversy when as head of Northern Rock he chose to use public money to sign a £10m sponsorship deal with Newcastle, despite the bank being nationalised as part of the government's bailout. Fast forward 11 years and he is given a vote of no confidence and forced to resign due to his role in the highly-questionable Newcastle takeover. Maybe it's coincidence but it does make you wonder if his wallet is looking a bit fatter these days.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Nov 21 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
No one is saying it, but is there something a bit fishy about Gary Hoffman's role as head of the PL in The PIF's takeover? In 2010 there was controversy when as head of Northern Rock he chose to use public money to sign a £10m sponsorship deal with Newcastle, despite the bank being nationalised as part of the government's bailout. Fast forward 11 years and he is given a vote of no confidence and forced to resign due to his role in the highly-questionable Newcastle takeover. Maybe it's coincidence but it does make you wonder if his wallet is looking a bit fatter these days. Apparently he got a phone call from Boris to put the deal through. Therefore, let's see how long it is before he has a job on the Sports Council or something like that. I'll give it around 6 months.
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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Nov 21 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Apparently he got a phone call from Boris to put the deal through. Therefore, let's see how long it is before he has a job on the Sports Council or something like that. I'll give it around 6 months. Head of Saudi FA?
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Eaglecoops CR3 19 Nov 21 2.52pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Apparently he got a phone call from Boris to put the deal through. Therefore, let's see how long it is before he has a job on the Sports Council or something like that. I'll give it around 6 months. You've been reading too many of Croydon's posts ASCPFC. You'll be voting Labour next!
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sydtheeagle England 29 Nov 21 3.23pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Unless Howe does an absolutely incredible job by not only keeping them up but also getting them to rise way up the table then he will likely be toast even if they do stay up. Howe is there because he's the only manager who accepted the job. No other reason. They tried to get big-name managers in first and none of them wanted to come. So they signed up Howe. The same thing will happen in January when they try to bring in big-name players. Newcastle is NOT an attractive destination no matter how much money the club has. In a shrunken world where travel is easy and glamour is king, the plain fact is that the attraction of playing in exile in the frozen north midway between Leeds and Edinburgh is not an appealing proposition to players and, not much less importantly, not appealing to their wives and families either. BBC reports today that "Newcastle are in a race with Roma to sign Hoffenheim's Austrian midfielder Florian Grillitsch, 26, in January." I wonder who he'll choose. Move to Rome and play for Mourinho? Or move to Newcastle (where's that?) and play for Eddie Howe (who's he?)? Not a tough decision I imagine. And Howe really adds to the problem. Do you think world-class players are going to leap at the chance to play for him? Nor do I. Newcastle not only wanted a big name manager. They NEEDED one because that would have given them at least some allure in recruiting players. Don't give me the "big club/massive support" line either. Being a big club historically is all well and good, but it's over 50 years since Newcastle were anywhere near relevant. To today's players, that means nothing. Big clubs to today's players are the clubs that have won things in their lifetimes. Man City may not be as big as Newcastle historically, but they've been big for long enough now that today's top players can remember seeing them winning trophies when they were ten years old. That makes them relevant. Newcastle are not. Most of today's star names will have little idea who Newcastle are. Their distant geographical location only adds insult to injury. At best they're a well-supported regional team who won things a long, long time ago. Who cares? All that money, at best, will enable Newcastle to attract a few mercenaries (and there are always a few out there, who care about money more than winning things) who are happy to cash in. We all know how the story ends with players like that. Just wait until January for proof. Newcastle's resurgence, if it comes, will be the result of Howe building sensibly and slowly through shrewd transfers, investing in their academy and developing home-grown talent, and taking it step-by-step. My guess is that all that money driving an overnight transformation into a top-four team is nothing more than a pipe dream. Newcastle fans appear to be too stupid, or too busy dressing up as Arabs, to realise this. And I suspect sooner rather than later the Arabs will realise too, maybe for the first time ever, that there are some things no matter how awash you are in cash that money can't buy. Ask Everton. Look how far the big name manager (Ancellotti) and the big name player (James) got them. A one year stint on Merseyside and a mercenary galactico both of whom bailed at the first opportunity.
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sydtheeagle England 29 Nov 21 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You've been reading too many of Croydon's posts ASCPFC. You'll be voting Labour next! I don't think so. Abramovich's takeover of Chelsea was directly driven by Putin (documented fact) as a key tranche of the Russian government's policy of both pursuing the 2018 World Cup and altering perceptions of the Russian government in western financial markets. So there's abundant documented historical evidence of governments using football to intervene in localised political landscapes. Anyone who thinks that the Saudi-led Newcastle takeover is free from political motivations on the part of the Saudi's is, frankly, very naive.
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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Nov 21 4.19pm | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I don't think so. Abramovich's takeover of Chelsea was directly driven by Putin (documented fact) as a key tranche of the Russian government's policy of both pursuing the 2018 World Cup and altering perceptions of the Russian government in western financial markets. So there's abundant documented historical evidence of governments using football to intervene in localised political landscapes. Anyone who thinks that the Saudi-led Newcastle takeover is free from political motivations on the part of the Saudi's is, frankly, very naive. Actually there is a libel case going on at the moment about this. Roman says he wasn't a stooge for Putin.
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sydtheeagle England 29 Nov 21 5.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Actually there is a libel case going on at the moment about this. Roman says he wasn't a stooge for Putin. That is laughable. I mean, history is history; facts are facts. It'd take far too long to recount all the evidence here (yes, facts) but from the dissolution of the Berezofsky partnership to the forced (by Putin) sale of Sibneft to the Russian state to Abramovich's state-directed "penance" in Chukotka (all at Putin's direction) to the simple fact of his "survival" and acceptance in the wake of Khodorokovsky's imprisonment, the man who started out as Yeltsin's banker has become pretty much the only member of the "Family" to survive the proto Tsarist takeover post 2004. A stooge, albeit a state sanctioned oligarch at this point, is exactly what Abramovich is, albeit a very, very wealthy one. Because he plays a role that suits Putin down to the ground as, indeed, does London and the Conservative party which has been awash with Russian money for the past twenty years. Do you think it's an accident that all that plundered cash has ended up in the UK? Nope. It's because the LSE is the wild west at least compared to the States; you can IPO here and raise huge sums of money with very few questions asked and very little transparency required. You can't do that in New York, where the SEC demands probity. And the connection between the Conservative Party, huge Russian donations, and the pro-Brexit stance isn't accidental either. Putin's Kremlin has had undermining the EU, which it saw as a threat to Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe, as a priority since day one. When the Eastern European nations started joining the EU, the urgency with which Russia acted increased. I really do wonder if some people understand (or read) about the world they're living in.
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