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becky Flag over the moon 28 Jan 21 6.46am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

British jobs exported to the EU.

British businesses strangled by red tape.

Government adviser tells UK firms to set up in the EU.

The trade deal, did the UK ever read it, is full of tariffs and charges.

The UK export trade to our biggest customer cut by a third, customers do not wish to collect VAT for the UK or pay exorbitant duties.

The UK, now a third party, does not understand that the rules it devised for dealing with third parties, actually written by the UK itself, now apply to them.

Welcome to brexit, UK.

How does the 'cakeist' treaty look now.


This actually produces little more paperwork than the previous EU Sales List that had to be kept on all goods and services provided to EU countries as part of VAT Returns

 


A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Jan 21 7.43am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham


Personally, I think as a country we are the Crystal Palace in a European PL. Certainly not amongst the elite, just about holding our own but could fall away dramatically if we don't get our act together very soon.

Do you really believe all immigrant workers come here for our schools and NHS? All the Europeans I know work hard for their living and pay their taxes but I have seen plenty of home grown layabouts abusing our institutions.

Covid undoubtedly has had a bearing on the rate of progress on building a life after Brexit. Much has yet to be done but I am far from impressed so far.


Migrant from the EU generally came here for the work, so yes, they then did take jobs, school places and hospital beds etc.

Not suggesting they don’t work hard or are in any way bad people, but you can’t build a society by just pouring people in, you need to start investing and training the people already here.

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Jan 21 8.24am

Originally posted by croydon proud


We could perhaps do with a few Romanians and Bulgarians filling our hospitals at the moment -doctors and nurses, then we could open the nightingale hospitals closed due to no staff. "Dear E.U, could we possibly ask that you send over some of your doctors and nurses, as we are 100000 nhs staff short, and have the worst covid death rate out of all the european countries, and third worst in the whole world! We love you really and want to be friends, yours, blighty"

And if we need more NHS staff from Europe, great, give people we require work permits and bring them over.

We don’t however require more delivery drivers or Costa Coffee workers.

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Jan 21 8.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham


Personally, I think as a country we are the Crystal Palace in a European PL. Certainly not amongst the elite, just about holding our own but could fall away dramatically if we don't get our act together very soon.

Do you really believe all immigrant workers come here for our schools and NHS? All the Europeans I know work hard for their living and pay their taxes but I have seen plenty of home grown layabouts abusing our institutions.

Covid undoubtedly has had a bearing on the rate of progress on building a life after Brexit. Much has yet to be done but I am far from impressed so far.

Henry I think we can all agree that most EU migrants come to work however low paid work is not good for our economy.

Find an online benefits calculator and see how much a single man on minimum wage earns, pays tax and what benefits he is entitled to e.g. housing costs.

Now add his wife and 2 kids. You will probably find that he pays around £3K in tax and may get up to 30K in benefits and I have not factored in the cost of schools and healthcare.

In short the taxpayer is funding McJobs from big business. At least now with the 5 year requirement before they can claim benefits those corporations will either have to pay more or recruit locally.

As for your football analogy I see us as more as a top 6 team which makes sense as we are the 6th largest economy in the world.

But you know if the government's policies on immigration and how they tax and handle trade are wrong we can always sack them and get a new government that more suits your politics, something we couldn't do under the EU.

That's what taking back control means, not perfection just the ability to change things if they are not working.

 


One more point

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jan 21 9.26am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others.

In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them.

Without exception Romanian people are here for work.

All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home.

Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive.

Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Jan 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others.

In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them.

Without exception Romanian people are here for work.

All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home.

Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive.

Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia.

Most Romanian people might be here to work but in Edinburgh that work consists of being bussed into the city centre to sit all day with a cup in front of them.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Jan 21 10.18am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others.

In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them.

Without exception Romanian people are here for work.

All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home.

Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive.

Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia.

Regarding your first point I agree that many British believe these jobs are below them well they will need to be educated otherwise. This will not happen overnight but eventually they will realise it is the best way into the jobs market.

I don't get your second point about Asians. The rules for Asia and the EU are now the same so they cannot come unless they have a job offer at a certain salary level which is way above the McJobs. Perhaps they were already here and are showing a bit of get up and go?

As for your point about benefits I have already explained that those that qualify can get in work benefits, housing benefits, child support etc. It is true that newcomers will have to wait 5 years and so they should.

Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2021 10.20am)

 


One more point

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jan 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others.

In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them.

Without exception Romanian people are here for work.

All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home.

Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive.

Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia.

I wager it's why you came back.

Man who hates the country comes back when he's old.

Actions speak louder than words.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH Flag SW2 28 Jan 21 10.28am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Henry I think we can all agree that most EU migrants come to work however low paid work is not good for our economy.

Find an online benefits calculator and see how much a single man on minimum wage earns, pays tax and what benefits he is entitled to e.g. housing costs.

Now add his wife and 2 kids. You will probably find that he pays around £3K in tax and may get up to 30K in benefits and I have not factored in the cost of schools and healthcare.

In short the taxpayer is funding McJobs from big business. At least now with the 5 year requirement before they can claim benefits those corporations will either have to pay more or recruit locally.

As for your football analogy I see us as more as a top 6 team which makes sense as we are the 6th largest economy in the world.

But you know if the government's policies on immigration and how they tax and handle trade are wrong we can always sack them and get a new government that more suits your politics, something we couldn't do under the EU.

That's what taking back control means, not perfection just the ability to change things if they are not working.

Er, yes we could.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jan 21 10.37am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Er, yes we could.

We couldn't change our government 'under' the EU?

What nonsense, the poster is clearly from the 'Happy fish' movement.

We were members of the EU, not 'under' anybody.

 

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DanH Flag SW2 28 Jan 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We couldn't change our government 'under' the EU?

What nonsense, the poster is clearly from the 'Happy fish' movement.

We were members of the EU, not 'under' anybody.

There's so much misinformation about the EU and exactly what EU laws and regulations are and how they operate.

We also could have operated a more stringent immigration and benefit regime under EU rules, we just chose not to.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jan 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Good to see the UK getting into line.

'Review of UK workers' rights post-Brexit is axed in sudden U-turn'.

Nothing like taking back control, is there.

Having your cake and eating it...

 

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