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becky over the moon 28 Jan 21 6.46am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
British jobs exported to the EU. British businesses strangled by red tape. Government adviser tells UK firms to set up in the EU. The trade deal, did the UK ever read it, is full of tariffs and charges. The UK export trade to our biggest customer cut by a third, customers do not wish to collect VAT for the UK or pay exorbitant duties. Welcome to brexit, UK. How does the 'cakeist' treaty look now.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Jan 21 7.43am | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Do you really believe all immigrant workers come here for our schools and NHS? All the Europeans I know work hard for their living and pay their taxes but I have seen plenty of home grown layabouts abusing our institutions. Covid undoubtedly has had a bearing on the rate of progress on building a life after Brexit. Much has yet to be done but I am far from impressed so far.
Not suggesting they don’t work hard or are in any way bad people, but you can’t build a society by just pouring people in, you need to start investing and training the people already here.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Jan 21 8.24am | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
And if we need more NHS staff from Europe, great, give people we require work permits and bring them over. We don’t however require more delivery drivers or Costa Coffee workers.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Do you really believe all immigrant workers come here for our schools and NHS? All the Europeans I know work hard for their living and pay their taxes but I have seen plenty of home grown layabouts abusing our institutions. Covid undoubtedly has had a bearing on the rate of progress on building a life after Brexit. Much has yet to be done but I am far from impressed so far. Henry I think we can all agree that most EU migrants come to work however low paid work is not good for our economy. Find an online benefits calculator and see how much a single man on minimum wage earns, pays tax and what benefits he is entitled to e.g. housing costs. Now add his wife and 2 kids. You will probably find that he pays around £3K in tax and may get up to 30K in benefits and I have not factored in the cost of schools and healthcare. In short the taxpayer is funding McJobs from big business. At least now with the 5 year requirement before they can claim benefits those corporations will either have to pay more or recruit locally. As for your football analogy I see us as more as a top 6 team which makes sense as we are the 6th largest economy in the world. But you know if the government's policies on immigration and how they tax and handle trade are wrong we can always sack them and get a new government that more suits your politics, something we couldn't do under the EU. That's what taking back control means, not perfection just the ability to change things if they are not working.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 9.26am | |
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We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others. In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them. Without exception Romanian people are here for work. All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home. Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive. Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia.
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Teddy Eagle 28 Jan 21 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others. In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them. Without exception Romanian people are here for work. All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home. Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive. Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia. Most Romanian people might be here to work but in Edinburgh that work consists of being bussed into the city centre to sit all day with a cup in front of them.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 21 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others. In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them. Without exception Romanian people are here for work. All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home. Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive. Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia. Regarding your first point I agree that many British believe these jobs are below them well they will need to be educated otherwise. This will not happen overnight but eventually they will realise it is the best way into the jobs market. I don't get your second point about Asians. The rules for Asia and the EU are now the same so they cannot come unless they have a job offer at a certain salary level which is way above the McJobs. Perhaps they were already here and are showing a bit of get up and go? As for your point about benefits I have already explained that those that qualify can get in work benefits, housing benefits, child support etc. It is true that newcomers will have to wait 5 years and so they should. Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2021 10.20am)
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Stirlingsays 28 Jan 21 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We don't have any British service staff here, they don't want this type of work and are frankly disaffected from serving others. In fact just about everybody is either EU or Asian and we would not be able to manage without them. Without exception Romanian people are here for work. All that is happening is that EU people are being replaced by Asian if they decide to go home. Nobody comes here for benefits, they wouldn't keep a fly alive. Ms Patel's border controls will not change anything just increase immigration from Asia. I wager it's why you came back. Man who hates the country comes back when he's old. Actions speak louder than words.
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DanH SW2 28 Jan 21 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Henry I think we can all agree that most EU migrants come to work however low paid work is not good for our economy. Find an online benefits calculator and see how much a single man on minimum wage earns, pays tax and what benefits he is entitled to e.g. housing costs. Now add his wife and 2 kids. You will probably find that he pays around £3K in tax and may get up to 30K in benefits and I have not factored in the cost of schools and healthcare. In short the taxpayer is funding McJobs from big business. At least now with the 5 year requirement before they can claim benefits those corporations will either have to pay more or recruit locally. As for your football analogy I see us as more as a top 6 team which makes sense as we are the 6th largest economy in the world. But you know if the government's policies on immigration and how they tax and handle trade are wrong we can always sack them and get a new government that more suits your politics, something we couldn't do under the EU. Er, yes we could.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Er, yes we could. We couldn't change our government 'under' the EU? What nonsense, the poster is clearly from the 'Happy fish' movement. We were members of the EU, not 'under' anybody.
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DanH SW2 28 Jan 21 10.47am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We couldn't change our government 'under' the EU? What nonsense, the poster is clearly from the 'Happy fish' movement. We were members of the EU, not 'under' anybody. There's so much misinformation about the EU and exactly what EU laws and regulations are and how they operate. We also could have operated a more stringent immigration and benefit regime under EU rules, we just chose not to.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 10.47am | |
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Good to see the UK getting into line. 'Review of UK workers' rights post-Brexit is axed in sudden U-turn'. Nothing like taking back control, is there. Having your cake and eating it...
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