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BlueJay  UK 21 Jan 21 7.08am |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
If you are healthy, you do not need the vaccine. Why? It doesn't stop you from getting it, it just lessens the symptoms... it doesn't stop the virus from spreading either. You cans till pas it to grandma without knowing.
Yet one of you won't be allowed onboard as you didn't have the vaxx - work that one out. The early data, which admittedly we aren't spoiled by on account that it's only just emerging, in fact suggests that vaccinated people likely 'are' less likely to pass it on. We should have a much better idea of to what degree in two or three weeks. Edited by BlueJay (21 Jan 2021 7.08am)
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  SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 21 Jan 21 9.25am |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
If you are healthy, you do not need the vaccine. Why? It doesn't stop you from getting it, it just lessens the symptoms... it doesn't stop the virus from spreading either. You cans till pas it to grandma without knowing.
Yet one of you won't be allowed onboard as you didn't have the vaxx - work that one out. Said with absolute certainty, as though it is fact There's not enough data to understand whether it doesn't prevent spread, inhibits it or stops it altogether. Until that is available it's simply not possible to state hearsay as fact, either way. It may also depend on the type of vaccine you get – some may have an effect, some may not. We will have to wait and see on that one.
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 22 Jan 21 5.44am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Said with absolute certainty, as though it is fact There's not enough data to understand whether it doesn't prevent spread, inhibits it or stops it altogether. Until that is available it's simply not possible to state hearsay as fact, either way. It may also depend on the type of vaccine you get – some may have an effect, some may not. We will have to wait and see on that one. Said with confidence, not certainty.... Until there is data saying it cannot be transmitted post vaccine, it would be wise to assume it does.
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| BlueJay UK 22 Jan 21 7.12am |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
Said with confidence, not certainty.... Until there is data saying it cannot be transmitted post vaccine, it would be wise to assume it does.
This poses a distinct possibility that a person would be unlikely to get covid after vaccination. Also, a separate study at two weeks suggests infection rates start to drop. A follow up in another couple of weeks should shine more light on this. If antibodies are very high though and people do not get infected as readily, these are at least indications that likelihood of passing it on will decrease. More will be known in a couple of weeks.
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 becky over the moon 22 Jan 21 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
This poses a distinct possibility that a person would be unlikely to get covid after vaccination. Also, a separate study at two weeks suggests infection rates start to drop. A follow up in another couple of weeks should shine more light on this. If antibodies are very high though and people do not get infected as readily, these are at least indications that likelihood of passing it on will decrease. More will be known in a couple of weeks.
Isn't that the whole bl**dy point of getting vaccinated, or an I missing something here?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 21 5.38pm |
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| BlueJay UK 22 Jan 21 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Isn't that the whole bl**dy point of getting vaccinated, or an I missing something here?
With the Oxford vaccine for instance it appears to be a little less effective, but still didn't result in any hospitalisations or serious cases. As in with some vaccines, they may be slightly less able to stop you actually catching covid, but still good enough to stop it from having a serious impact on your health. That's how I understand it anyway, if I'm wrong I'm sure someone else will chip in.
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. I see what you mean from the wording of it. Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 22 Jan 21 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
With the Oxford vaccine for instance it appears to be a little less effective, but still didn't result in any hospitalisations or serious cases. As in with some vaccines, they may be slightly less able to stop you actually catching covid, but still good enough to stop it from having a serious impact on your health. That's how I understand it anyway, if I'm wrong I'm sure someone else will chip in. That's always been my understanding too ... to reduce the number of very sick people so that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed and can provide best care for those who need it.
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| BlueJay UK 25 Jan 21 2.57pm |
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Moderna vaccine appears to work against variants [Link] Hopefully true of others. The nuts and bolts of it appear to be that it's somewhat more successful at evading the vaccine response, but not enough so that the vaccine is ineffective. Edited by BlueJay (25 Jan 2021 3.12pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jan 21 3.21pm |
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It is likely that having been vaccinated you will normally fight off the virus, to the point where it will not catch hold at all. If it does catch hold the effect will be dramatically reduced Ergo, fairly obviously, some people may catch a mild dose for a short period. Much shorter than those not vaccinated. So the transmission will be foreshortened. In addition, the most dangerous point about the virus is viral load. If you are hit by a small viral load you may not get the disease at all or, if you do, you won't shed much viral load into the atmosphere. That gives your system time before you have high levels of virus to respond to it and fight it off. The medics who get badly ill normally do so as they are treating people shedding huge amounts of virus and their systems simply get overwhelmed Based on the above, get feckin vaccinated and stop pussying around. If you get the disease it's likely to be nasty. If you are unvaccinated and get the disease you will be responsible - potentially - for deaths.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jan 21 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Based on the above, get feckin vaccinated and stop pussying around. If you get the disease it's likely to be nasty. If you are unvaccinated and get the disease you will be responsible - potentially - for deaths.
As are you each time you get into a car. So were you everytime you had sex during the Aids pandemic.
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| BlueJay UK 25 Jan 21 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is likely that having been vaccinated you will normally fight off the virus, to the point where it will not catch hold at all. If it does catch hold the effect will be dramatically reduced Ergo, fairly obviously, some people may catch a mild dose for a short period. Much shorter than those not vaccinated. So the transmission will be foreshortened. In addition, the most dangerous point about the virus is viral load. If you are hit by a small viral load you may not get the virus at all or, if you do, you won't shed much load into the atmosphere. That gives your system time before you have high levels of virus to respond to it and fight it off. The medics who get badly ill normally do so as they are treating people shedding huge amounts of virus and their systems simply get overwhelmed Based on the above, get feckin vaccinated and stop pussying around. If you get the virus it's likely to be nasty. If you are unvaccinated and get the virus you will be responsible - potentially - for deaths. Yes, there have actually been multiple animal studies confirming this now. Clearly it's harder to demonstrate in people in anything other than observed situations, but there does appear to be a strong and rational argument for it. A good reason to wear a good mask when out and about. As for getting vaccinated, I'd say that as often is the case, the real world take on it is a bit different from some of the louder 'anti' voices online. The vast majority of elderly people are opting for it which is a great start and a relief.
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