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cryrst The garden of England 29 Apr 20 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Just watched the second Raab Starmer head to head at PMQs and it struck me that both men are probably thoroughly decent human beings which is very unusual nowadays Decent doesnt win. Raab wont ever be PM and nor will starmer. Got to be able to hate or be hated just like the Bruce about his dad in braveheart
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Apr 20 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Decent doesnt win. Raab wont ever be PM and nor will starmer. Got to be able to hate or be hated just like the Bruce about his dad in braveheart Tony Blair was not initially hated. Neither was David Cameron.
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DanH SW2 29 Apr 20 3.41pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Decent doesnt win. Raab wont ever be PM and nor will starmer. Got to be able to hate or be hated just like the Bruce about his dad in braveheart What part of Boris is it that gives him his 'statesman like aura'? The bumbling persona? The messy blonde hair? The unnecessary use of flowery language to avoid making a coherent point? The constant and often offensive gaffes? The fathering of an unknown number of children and left behind partners? I really don't get it. He's a cartoon character; not a statesman.
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Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 20 3.55pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The bumbling persona? The messy blonde hair? The unnecessary use of flowery language to avoid making a coherent point? The constant and often offensive gaffes? I really don't get it. He's a cartoon character; not a statesman. Leaving aside "The fathering of an unknown number of children and left behind partners" which I don't think is relevant and is certainly not something new for senior politicians I'm not sure that Boris has a "statesman like aura" but he certainly has a great deal of charm and charisma and I think that the general populace agree judging by his overwhelming victory in the Conservative leadership and subsequent General elections
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Apr 20 4.00pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
What part of Boris is it that gives him his 'statesman like aura'? The bumbling persona? The messy blonde hair? The unnecessary use of flowery language to avoid making a coherent point? The constant and often offensive gaffes? The fathering of an unknown number of children and left behind partners? I really don't get it. He's a cartoon character; not a statesman. He made the grade danh. You hate him. Proves my point really.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Apr 20 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Tony Blair was not initially hated. Neither was David Cameron. Both were hated by some at some point. Iraq war,brexit.
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DanH SW2 29 Apr 20 4.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Leaving aside "The fathering of an unknown number of children and left behind partners" which I don't think is relevant and is certainly not something new for senior politicians I'm not sure that Boris has a "statesman like aura" but he certainly has a great deal of charm and charisma and I think that the general populace agree judging by his overwhelming victory in the Conservative leadership and subsequent General elections True, that was a little bit of a dig Although can you imagine if Theresa May was still PM or we had another female leader and she had just fired out her fifth/sixth/seventh/eighth child from her fifth/sixth/seventh/eighth different partner - I think the public reaction would be markedly different. Especially when Conservatives are supposed to espouse traditional family values.
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DanH SW2 29 Apr 20 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
He made the grade danh. You hate him. Proves my point really. I don't hate him - not compared to some of other reprobates in the government. I just really don't get why he's so popular, especially among the working classes. He's just another under-qualified and over-ambitious Eton boy.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 29 Apr 20 4.25pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
I don't hate him - not compared to some of other reprobates in the government. I just really don't get why he's so popular, especially among the working classes. He's just another under-qualified and over-ambitious Eton boy.
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Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 20 4.33pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
I believe that Boris has had children with as many partners as I have whereas I have married all of mine so I am hardly likely to criticize him on that score
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Apr 20 4.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Tony Blair was not initially hated. Neither was David Cameron. He is now Rudi, by all us Vets, after sanctioning all those 'letters of comfort' to the IRA/Sinn Fein.
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Matov 29 Apr 20 6.12pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
I really don't get it. He's a cartoon character; not a statesman. It is his use of metaphor. Seriously. That is how he wins. Something in how the human psyche works. The way his speeches impact on people. Reaches them in a way that nobody else seems to at the moment. The only explanation, as kooky as that might sound. Throw in the genius that is Cummings with not only 'Take back Control' but the 'Get Brexit Done' spiel and you have almost the perfect example of how to hammer home an effective political message. On the face of it and given how modern politics is meant to work then Johnson should have been dead and buried decades ago. Instead, he wins in London. Twice. And now has won a massive majority in Parliament along with ridding himself of virtually any and every serious critic from within his own party. Probably the most secure Western politician as matters stand at the moment. I probably share many of your own misgivings about the man but the reality is that he connects with voters in a way that nobody else in modern British politics manages to do at the moment. And there is nobody on the Left who can come close to touching him as things stand. Starmer is wooden. Looks the part but ultimately an empty shell. I suspect Johnson is going to be PM for as long as he wants to be in that office. The Left are moribund due to their spiral into a political purity that leaves them zero flexibility and there simply is no effective opposition to him from within his own party. Johnson is political cat-nip. Whether you like him or loathe him, he can bring the votes home.
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