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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 17 Dec 19 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A few days ago another regular poster here took it upon himself to attack me personally and suggest that the reason I was "detested" was because of my past approach to the grooming gang scandal. On the face of it such a post has no place in this thread, if indeed it has a place in any thread. Nevertheless, it was posted and as it made, not for the first time, totally incorrect assertions I will now, for the avoidance of any doubt, set the record straight. I have done so before but the lies continue to be spread. Where, I wonder, does that tactic come from? My attitude to this scandal is straightforward. If criminal activity occurs then it must be dealt with and the perpetrators punished. If such activity threatens children then urgent and effective action is required. However, such action must be via the appropriate authorities, who are the Police and the various social service agencies. Anyone with information on such activities must take that to the Police and not get involved themselves in any way, especially not via pseudo vigilante rabble rousing in person or via the media. Interfering in Court proceedings has the potential of destroying trials and allowing criminals to walk free. Those who do so quite rightly get punished themselves. Anyone unsatisfied with the responses of the authorities have routes open to them to raise their concerns, ultimately ending up with their MP. Allowing the police to do their work is the best, and only really effective way, to bring criminals to court. I also believe it is unhelpful to describe such activity as "Muslim" or by any other irrelevant epithet. We need to focus on the crime and the criminal and not on anything else, especially the community from which they might have sprung. We must not alienate such communities. We must encourage them, however hard it is and however slowly they respond, to assist the authorities. That this issue has been raised again just when the Tories have secured a huge majority is instructive and requires careful monitoring. The far right has clearly become more visible and emboldened in the last few years and the election result seems likely to add fuel to those flames. Whose fault is that? The same people that enabled the election to end as it did. Corbyn and the far left being the primary culprits. At least they are now an irrelevance but the far right potentially are not. Having listened during the campaign to the reasoning given by previous Labour voters in the north for switching to the Tories it was very apparent that a strand of anti immigration and latent racist sentiment lay at the foundations of their reasoning. With so many of the new intake of Tory MPs representing northern constituencies it will be interesting to hear how they handle these issues. How many I wonder hold "Tommy Robinson" in as high a regard as many do in this forum? It will be even more interesting to see how Johnson and his government respond. If they slap down the right and truly try to become "One Nation" Conservatives then I won't be without hope. Let's see, but I am not holding my breath.
The first post of your’s I’ve read in a while because it’s not a wall of repeated text on what MPs should do, but not what what they actually do, and always have done, and you omit the bit including that they represent their party to make your point even more incredulous. In bold highlights YOU are part of the problem. British citizens are allowed to vote on limiting immigration. Who do you think you are controlling what people in their own country want, and they will include non British and non white or west European/Anglo Saxon celts. Have a day off. You’re frankly boring, repetitive and represent a minority of people. Have a nice nice day walking your dog in your quaint, idyllic area without a single issue before a game of bowls and no doubt plenty of time online how people in other areas with daily reality should live their lives or even think. Do you even support palace or football? I doubt it. What number compound were the away fans in before the Taylor report? Where was the previous training ground? Which player had to be shifted on because of a rumour of an affair he had with someone in authority at the club? Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Dec 2019 10.37am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Dec 19 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I readily admit to NOT reading each and every post in this forum but I certainly have not witnessed an emergence of any 'Tommy Robinson fan club' with him attaining the lapidary status of the codes of Hammurabi or Moses by the great and good who grace HOL. Edited by Willo (17 Dec 2019 10.19am) The man has his own thread here:- Plenty of devoted fan boys posting there.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 19 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The man has his own thread here:- Plenty of devoted fan boys posting there. Why are you even here then? And actually, why are people reading your Westminster process nonsense anyway? If you were ignored you’d eventually disappear. Might take a while I expect seeing as you’re bored being where you are, without a single concern, telling everyone else what’s what. Bore off. We need an ‘ignore the bore’ button.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Dec 19 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The man has his own thread here:- Plenty of devoted fan boys posting there. Jeremy Corbyn has had a thread devoted to him and probably Diane Abbott and I don't think they have too many supporters on HOL.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 19 10.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The man has his own thread here:- Plenty of devoted fan boys posting there. Haven’t the Truro WI got a space for you instead?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 19 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Jeremy Corbyn has had a thread devoted to him and probably Diane Abbott and I don't think they have too many supporters on HOL. One of the best things Midland brought to the moderating. No more multiple threads or new threads on the same person, plus low tolerance of slanging matches that are just 1 v 1. When it’s many v 1 then that’s likely to be different.
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Dec 19 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I readily admit to NOT reading each and every post in this forum but I certainly have not witnessed an emergence of any 'Tommy Robinson fan club' with him attaining the lapidary status of the codes of Hammurabi or Moses by the great and good who grace HOL. I think that you will find that the so called plenty of fan boys is actually about three but Wisbech Eagle is prone to the odd exaggeration
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 19 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I think that you will find that the so called plenty of fan boys is actually about three but Wisbech Eagle is prone to the odd exaggeration Desperation because he can’t get his own way, like a toddler having a strop. Why he hangs around when he knows full well he can’t change people here?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Dec 19 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Desperation because he can’t get his own way, like a toddler having a strop. Why he hangs around when he knows full well he can’t change people here? He could be a very lonely 74 year old living in the depths of Cornwall and his communication with the outside world on HOL is very important to him.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Dec 19 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The first post of your’s I’ve read in a while because it’s not a wall of repeated text on what MPs should do, but not what what they actually do, and always have done, and you omit the bit including that they represent their party to make your point even more incredulous. As I have often said no-one is compelled to read, or respond, to my posts. What do you think MPs actually do, other than represent their constituents? It's only the recent attempts to exert the power of deselection and try to cement the central power of the parties that concerns me. This was started by Labour and then taken up by the Tories. I recognise the need for a structure and some discipline but not to the extent that it totally emasculates a MP. In bold highlights YOU are part of the problem. British citizens are allowed to vote on limiting immigration. Who do you think you are controlling what people in their own country want, and they will include non British and non white or west European/Anglo Saxon celts. British citizens can vote on whatever basis they like. That though doesn't mean that basis is either wise or healthy and it's the responsibility of those who lead, and then represent them, to convince them otherwise. Ultimately our representatives must do what they believe is in their constituents best interests and if that means not giving them what they want, but giving them what they need, then they are doing their job. Have a day off. You’re frankly boring, repetitive and represent a minority of people. Have a nice nice day walking your dog in your quaint, idyllic area without a single issue before a game of bowls and no doubt plenty of time online how people in other areas with daily reality should live their lives or even think.
Do you even support palace or football? I doubt it. What number compound were the away fans in before the Taylor report? Where was the previous training ground? Which player had to be shifted on because of a rumour of an affair he had with someone in authority at the club? Oh I suspect I supported Palace way before you. I stood on the Holmesdale terrace in 1954, was one of the boys who first banged the hoardings for "Glad all over". I watched Byrne make his debut and still have a page of autographs of the team he was in. I was at all of the important matches for many years and an old stand season ticket holder. I was there when we lost 4-3 to Real Madrid and right behind the Terry Long goal. Terry later became a personal friend. I followed them from the 3rd Div South to the 4th Div and all the way up and almost down again. I don't get to many matches these days, for obvious reasons. I watch every game though, if I can get a stream, where-ever I am in the world. Sometimes this involves getting up at 3 am just to be in front of a screen. So I think I am a supporter. I just don't wave flags or bang drums and think such things are for kids. Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Dec 2019 10.37am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 19 11.19am |
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As usual I didn’t read your comment on parliamentary procedure because it’s either bollox, or it’s not how it works in practice. Simple and you know it. That’s the only reply you need. The labour MPs who disagree were voted out, so they were told what they think about them trying to change their views as you put it, or just ignoring them in reality. We’ll see how the tory MPs do, if, big if, they do what you think they should do. But northerners and the working classes have a way of telling you what they think. It doesn’t mean they don’t, can’t, won’t get on with whoever. They have their views and if you try taking them for granted, pulling strokes and fast ones or tell them they’re this or that they’ll tell you in Frank terms or give you the elbow. Many of these people will be the young people losing out since 2004 or be related to them. And you think you can influence that from Truro or an MP with a few minutes on tv. Ha ha. Good luck. You’ll have more luck training your dog. Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Dec 2019 11.22am)
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| chris123 hove actually 17 Dec 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Haven’t the Truro WI got a space for you instead? Not sure they'd allow an emmet.
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