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martin2412 Living The Dream 09 Mar 21 7.47pm | |
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I see that the royal family have issued a statement saying that any form of racism will be dealt with internally - otherwise known as doing a Milivojevic.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Mar 21 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by martin2412
You're the one who reckons that you don't need intent to be a racist, so is the old lady a racist ? I’d suggest re reading both my post and the original post that I was replying to. You’ve missed the boat entirely. Quite simply, to use your sentence and align it correctly with the point I was making - ‘you don’t need intent to be racist’. Note the absence of ‘a’. Very important that as it was the entire crux of my original post. So using your example, without explaining the history of it that I would really hope you’d know about, she has used a word that is at best pretty offensive and at worst a racial slur. Let’s say we go with the worst case interpretation here for the sake of debate, and that a character witness would vouch for her not having a racist bone in her body. First off, yes she is being racist. That much is obvious. Does that make her a racist? No. But I never said that - I said a racist term or act is still racist whether you’re ignorant of its meaning or not. Intent makes it worse, sure, but it doesn’t change the meaning. See above law analogy. Logic. What a b******.
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Spiderman Horsham 09 Mar 21 7.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
Hate to be the guy to accuse somebody of bulls*** but does anybody find meghan raising the mental health issue with HR weird surely a doctor would be more appropriate I reckon she never raised anything she's full of s*** also if they truly felt a member was racist they would name them they're either being ambigious for a future interview or it didn't happen. Bearing in mind Harry was patron of some mental health charities, at the time, I would suspect he would know someone who could help, if he knew about it. The woman was playing to a script and is full of bs
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BlueJay UK 09 Mar 21 7.54pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ill never cease to find it amazing that fairly simplistic concepts about context and language are so hard for so many to understand. Further, that people simply can’t seem to grasp that language and meanings evolve. They’re changing all the time. The world, and language, doesn’t stand still. Yes, I thought I'd chime in as clearly those words are routinely not used in the same way or for the same purpose. The post was either a lack of acknowledgement of real world behaviour, or an intentional denial of it.
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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Mar 21 8.02pm | |
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An Aussie view, top comments about Princess Anne's kids
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BlueJay UK 09 Mar 21 8.05pm | |
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Originally posted by martin2412
I see that the royal family have issued a statement saying that any form of racism will be dealt with internally - otherwise known as doing a Milivojevic. They are certainty at a distinct disadvantage in dealing with this because it's not really an option for the royals to get into a soap opera back and forth. That's important to factor in when the other party has no such restrictions. To even go ahead with this Oprah interview there becomes a need to push and portray the very worst and to possibly exaggerate. A lot of their anger is really with the press, and I don't really see the Royal Family as being able to do anything about that anyway so there was an inevitability to this where an individualistic person enters the family. The Trump card will always be that the Royals were entirely non judgemental of Prince Andrew and so there is little to no scope of having any issue with anything Meghan says or does in comparison. They're caught in a tough stuff where they're probably best off just saying nothing. Any further contributions just add fuel to the fire.
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martin2412 Living The Dream 09 Mar 21 8.19pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I’d suggest re reading both my post and the original post that I was replying to. You’ve missed the boat entirely. Quite simply, to use your sentence and align it correctly with the point I was making - ‘you don’t need intent to be racist’. Note the absence of ‘a’. Very important that as it was the entire crux of my original post. So using your example, without explaining the history of it that I would really hope you’d know about, she has used a word that is at best pretty offensive and at worst a racial slur. Let’s say we go with the worst case interpretation here for the sake of debate, and that a character witness would vouch for her not having a racist bone in her body. First off, yes she is being racist. That much is obvious. Does that make her a racist? No. But I never said that - I said a racist term or act is still racist whether you’re ignorant of its meaning or not. Intent makes it worse, sure, but it doesn’t change the meaning. See above law analogy. Logic. What a b******. Nope. If you were to go on social media and spout off that the old lady was being racist, this would stir up all the snowflakes (I'm thinking about being offended by that term as it was used as an insult by Rudolph Walker in 'Love Thy Neighbour') akin to her being a paedophile. There would probably be a lynch mob. You stated in your response to the 'pa*i ' comment a couple of posts back that you were amazed that some people can't grasp the idea of context, well when it suits it seems.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Mar 21 8.37pm | |
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Agree. One small detail. Mike Tindall, Zara Phillips’ husband, has been caught claiming small amounts of furlough with their multi million fortune.
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Mar 21 8.38pm | |
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Society of Editors' claim that UK media not racist labelled 'laughable' Dozens of journalists of colour sign letter rejecting claim racism not a factor in Duchess of Sussex coverage.
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jeeagles 09 Mar 21 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
Hate to be the guy to accuse somebody of bulls*** but does anybody find meghan raising the mental health issue with HR weird surely a doctor would be more appropriate I reckon she never raised anything she's full of s*** also if they truly felt a member was racist they would name them they're either being ambigious for a future interview or it didn't happen. That was my reaction too. Surprised the Royal family even have a HR department. She did no research, but she seems to have completely misunderstood that its not work, it's a duty and a trade off. She pulls ribbons in exchange for living in a Palace. When she decided she didn't like being as busy as she is, and didn't like the negative publicity she decided to kick up a fuss, and probably got told that she needs to take the rough with the smooth. You can't pick and choose, especially when you live off a massive grant. And, if you've got a security issue involving your child, even a minor one, you don't tell the whole f***ing world about it. We'll done s*** for brains, Archie has now got a massive target, and it's all because you wanted to continue a row with the press to score points. Have they really thought through all the comments they made about the commonwealth being racist. She might see it as point scoring against the Royals. The commonwealth might not be great, but it is a stabilising factor. Destabilise a couple of countries and she'll be putting lives at risk.... this is why the Royals are always so careful. They've got 100's of years of knowledge of what its like to run a constitutional monarchy. Although the reoccurring theme throughout is that Megan thinks she knows better.
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cryrst The garden of England 09 Mar 21 9.03pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ill never cease to find it amazing that fairly simplistic concepts about context and language are so hard for so many to understand. Further, that people simply can’t seem to grasp that language and meanings evolve. They’re changing all the time. The world, and language, doesn’t stand still. And the fact you are shutting down the discussion as quickly as possible explains why we are all walking on eggshells incase someone gets offended.
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cryrst The garden of England 09 Mar 21 9.09pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Society of Editors' claim that UK media not racist labelled 'laughable' Dozens of journalists of colour sign letter rejecting claim racism not a factor in Duchess of Sussex coverage. Wernt the white ones invited for their opinion and why not? Maybe this is racist but only the act of not asking them!
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