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Pussay Patrol  07 Apr 19 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If you read my post again I said "reduce not stop" I agree that there are some sectors and some parts of the country that need workers. But we have to control the incoming with the needs of the economy. By leaving the EU we can do that it will then be up to the government of the day to justify their immigration policy to the voters. I would also stop new workers from being entitled to benefits for around 5 years. This is fairly common in many countries. Now if Costa Packet or McJobs want to employ overseas workers they will have to offer a package that is attractive rather than rely on the taxpayer. Exceptions could be made if the sector is vital to the economy e.g. NHS or social care. The other day I ready that we need 40,000 new barista's err no we don't. Why don't we just use the laws we have already? i.e. repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves ? Taking back control is just a populist slogan adopted by right wing parties, I think it's part of a masterplan cooked up by the tories to create the illusion that we are powerless being in the EU and we are at 'Breaking point', get the people to vote us out then they will employ an aggressive program of deregulation of the city and workers rights.
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 dannyboy1978  07 Apr 19 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
But that's the same for everyone What you're not counting is to have a robust economy you need the workforce, the people that do unskilled jobs whether indigenous or not, oil the wheels of economy and we as a whole benefit throw investment and growth which then boosts our financial markets, which our companies and pensions and savings etc are linked into I thought you were better than this We are near full unemployment with automization about to kick off, we don't want more people.
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| dannyboy1978 07 Apr 19 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Why don't we just use the laws we have already? i.e. repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves ? Taking back control is just a populist slogan adopted by right wing parties, I think it's part of a masterplan cooked up by the tories to create the illusion that we are powerless being in the EU and we are at 'Breaking point', get the people to vote us out then they will employ an aggressive program of deregulation of the city and workers rights. The government quoted tens of thousands and can't get below 250.000 and then wonder why we voted leave.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Apr 19 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Why don't we just use the laws we have already? i.e. repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves ? Taking back control is just a populist slogan adopted by right wing parties, I think it's part of a masterplan cooked up by the tories to create the illusion that we are powerless being in the EU and we are at 'Breaking point', get the people to vote us out then they will employ an aggressive program of deregulation of the city and workers rights. It is a lot more sensible to control the numbers at your borders. Repatriating people is a costly exercise, first you have to find them, secondly you will have to deport them, assuming you are allowed to. Then there is the matter of fairness. Many people from the Commonwealth and outside the EU would like to bring loved ones to this country. Many skilled workers would like the opportunity to work here. Why should an unskilled worker from the EU be given priority over skilled workers from elsewhere. What I don't understand is why some people are against controlling our borders. A future labour government could continue the current EU freedom of movement if it chose to do so that is not precluded from taking control of our borders.
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| Midlands Eagle 07 Apr 19 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Taking back control is just a populist slogan adopted by right wing parties, I think it's part of a masterplan cooked up by the tories to create the illusion that we are powerless being in the EU and we are at 'Breaking point', Why would it be a masterplan cooked up by the Tories when most of them don't want to leave the EU anyway. Don't you just hate populist slogans. The worst one doing the rounds is "For the many not the few"
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| Pussay Patrol 07 Apr 19 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Why would it be a masterplan cooked up by the Tories when most of them don't want to leave the EU anyway. Don't you just hate populist slogans. The worst one doing the rounds is "For the many not the few" So are you in favour of a wide wealth gap?
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| Spiderman Horsham 07 Apr 19 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Why don't we just use the laws we have already? i.e. repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves ? Taking back control is just a populist slogan adopted by right wing parties, I think it's part of a masterplan cooked up by the tories to create the illusion that we are powerless being in the EU and we are at 'Breaking point', get the people to vote us out then they will employ an aggressive program of deregulation of the city and workers rights. Working for Border Force until very recently I can dispel The Guardian's take on things Immigration.
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| Midlands Eagle 07 Apr 19 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So are you in favour of a wide wealth gap? Of course I do. I am a skilled brain surgeon and it took me years to get to the top of my profession so why should I be remunerated at the same level as a shelf stacker. It was a very wise man that once said that "I believe that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
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Teddy Eagle  07 Apr 19 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Of course I do. I am a skilled brain surgeon and it took me years to get to the top of my profession so why should I be remunerated at the same level as a shelf stacker. It was a very wise man that once said that "I believe that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" He was indeed a very wise man. Four legs good two legs bad seems to sum up the entire philosophy of some posters here.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Apr 19 8.08am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
He was indeed a very wise man. Four legs good two legs bad seems to sum up the entire philosophy of some posters here. I read Orwell at school my teacher suggested we first should read Homage to Catalonia which is a biographical account of Orwell's life fighting with the Communist brigade in the Spanish civil war. It was a good suggestion, Orwell a young man went to war as a committed communist. By the end he was sickened by what he had seen and blamed the communists for being more interested in attacking their coalition partners on the left e.g. socialists than in fighting the fascists. He also became aware that their orders were coming from Moscow something he disagreed with. In the book it becomes clear that many of his ideas for 1984 (1948 backwards) and Animal Farm are based on his experiences. He took part in battles the communists lost and then they published newspapers saying they had won. Victories by their coalition partners were claimed as their own, defeats blamed on the same etc. Sometimes the communists refused to send assistance to their partners happy to let the fascists defeat them. Orwell was still very much a socialist but he realised the danger that was the USSR long before the middles class lefties had woken up to it. Anyway Homage to Catalonia not as well known as his other books but a good read if you want to understand how he came to write his later books. Edited by Badger11 (08 Apr 2019 8.09am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Apr 19 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Of course I do. I am a skilled brain surgeon and it took me years to get to the top of my profession so why should I be remunerated at the same level as a shelf stacker. It was a very wise man that once said that "I believe that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"[/quote Can can we please talk about these blinding headaches the wife keeps getting every time I get frisky. Edited by Mapletree (08 Apr 2019 9.24am)
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| Midlands Eagle 08 Apr 19 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Of course we can as I'm sure that most of us are bored with discussing immigration anyway
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