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W12 19 Feb 19 5.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground? Instrumental? That is absolute nonsense
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W12 19 Feb 19 5.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground?

Instrumental?

That is absolute nonsense

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Stirlingsays 19 Feb 19 6.04pm
Originally posted by Matov Given this some thought and ultimately it does come down to moral superiority. That is the point. We are better than them. For me the easiest option is to wash our hands of this girl. To strip her of her British nationality, to declare that she made her choice and now has to live with it. But that does not make it the right option. She was a child when she left. Effectively, she was a run-away. Playing truant from school. None of that excuses what she supported nor what she did but she is a British citizen and as such, has a right to present herself at our borders. This is not about being liberal or conservative. Right or Left wing. This is about accepting that a child made some s*** decisions and that she needs a chance to redeem herself. And that her own baby is an innocent party. Loathe her. Loathe her beliefs. Loathe her parents and her upbringing. I get, and endorse all of that. But the State has a duty to all of its subjects, especially those under the age of majority. If she decides to leave again, then wash your hands. But since she was a kid when she set off, a duty of care exists in my opinion. We are going around the houses a bit. I respect your viewpoint from a idealistic and kind point of view but it's not a viewpoint that I regard as the better option for a state to take. The morally superior card doesn't work against those who believe they have god on their side. There is no competing against that. One can play that card just for one's own self regard of course but unless you're the one who is happy to live next to these radicals I don't think it's ok to ask anybody else to.....Well, even then it's not ok to expect others to feel the same. She would be a victory symbol for a significant number of anti western extremists who we already have here. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 6.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Feb 19 6.04pm

Originally posted by Matov

Given this some thought and ultimately it does come down to moral superiority. That is the point. We are better than them.

For me the easiest option is to wash our hands of this girl. To strip her of her British nationality, to declare that she made her choice and now has to live with it.

But that does not make it the right option. She was a child when she left. Effectively, she was a run-away. Playing truant from school.

None of that excuses what she supported nor what she did but she is a British citizen and as such, has a right to present herself at our borders.

This is not about being liberal or conservative. Right or Left wing. This is about accepting that a child made some s*** decisions and that she needs a chance to redeem herself. And that her own baby is an innocent party.

Loathe her. Loathe her beliefs. Loathe her parents and her upbringing. I get, and endorse all of that. But the State has a duty to all of its subjects, especially those under the age of majority.

If she decides to leave again, then wash your hands. But since she was a kid when she set off, a duty of care exists in my opinion.

We are going around the houses a bit.

I respect your viewpoint from a idealistic and kind point of view but it's not a viewpoint that I regard as the better option for a state to take.

The morally superior card doesn't work against those who believe they have god on their side. There is no competing against that.

One can play that card just for one's own self regard of course but unless you're the one who is happy to live next to these radicals I don't think it's ok to ask anybody else to.....Well, even then it's not ok to expect others to feel the same.

She would be a victory symbol for a significant number of anti western extremists who we already have here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 6.53pm)

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Stirlingsays 19 Feb 19 6.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground? Well, we aren't 'instrumental'....Anyone who thinks that we prop up the house of Saud and that they wouldn't be rich or in power without us believes in fantasy. However, I assume no moral high ground, different personal standards perhaps......but might has always been right. The rules of the playground are reality and always have been. Finger waggers only get to wag their fingers because they stand behind men capable of violence. There is how people want the world to be.....and then there is how the world is. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 6.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Feb 19 6.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground?

Well, we aren't 'instrumental'....Anyone who thinks that we prop up the house of Saud and that they wouldn't be rich or in power without us believes in fantasy.

However, I assume no moral high ground, different personal standards perhaps......but might has always been right.

The rules of the playground are reality and always have been. Finger waggers only get to wag their fingers because they stand behind men capable of violence.

There is how people want the world to be.....and then there is how the world is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 6.16pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 19 6.34pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground? How many then. I think you are a bit of an apologist. My mate was in a car behind the bus in russell square. Not good conversation TBH. This was about daesh anyhow. Not yemen.
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The garden of England 19 Feb 19 6.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground?

How many then.
I think you are a bit of an apologist.
My mate was in a car behind the bus in russell square.
Not good conversation TBH.
This was about daesh anyhow. Not yemen.

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Invalid user 2019 19 Feb 19 6.40pm
Citizenship revoked.
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19 Feb 19 6.40pm

Citizenship revoked.

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robdave2k 19 Feb 19 6.44pm
Reminded of a quote from “The West Wing” “We judge the success of a mission by how few civilians are killed, they judge success by how many”. She certainly isn’t endearing herself to the public in general with her comments. It has been said that the state has a duty of care to all its subjects - in which case the majority have the right to be protected too. But you cease to become a subject when you cease to be subject to the rules and values of the country. The duty of Citizenship cuts both ways.
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19 Feb 19 6.44pm

Reminded of a quote from “The West Wing”

“We judge the success of a mission by how few civilians are killed, they judge success by how many”.

She certainly isn’t endearing herself to the public in general with her comments.

It has been said that the state has a duty of care to all its subjects - in which case the majority have the right to be protected too. But you cease to become a subject when you cease to be subject to the rules and values of the country. The duty of Citizenship cuts both ways.

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Invalid user 2019 19 Feb 19 6.46pm
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government [Link] "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it. I must rewatch Four Lions. Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm)
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19 Feb 19 6.46pm

Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government

[Link]

"He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.

I must rewatch Four Lions.

Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Feb 19 7.00pm
That is a very foolish thing to do.
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Croydon 19 Feb 19 7.00pm

That is a very foolish thing to do.

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That is a very foolish thing to do. Not as foolish as joining daesh.
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The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That is a very foolish thing to do.

Not as foolish as joining daesh.

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.14pm
Originally posted by dollardays Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government [Link] "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it. I must rewatch Four Lions. Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm) A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade. Well done sir. My vote is blue.
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The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.14pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government

[Link]

"He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.

I must rewatch Four Lions.

Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm)

A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade.
Well done sir.
My vote is blue.

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.17pm
Originally posted by cryrst A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade. Well done sir. My vote is blue. Just waiting to be called a racist bigot. TBH is this was a white tart from catford i would appluad this decision. Just throwing that in the mix.
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The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.17pm

Originally posted by cryrst

A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade.
Well done sir.
My vote is blue.

Just waiting to be called a racist bigot.
TBH is this was a white tart from catford i would appluad this decision.
Just throwing that in the mix.

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ChrisGC Wantage 19 Feb 19 7.31pm
Originally posted by dollardays Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government [Link] "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it. I must rewatch Four Lions. Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm) Beautiful, top stuff
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Wantage 19 Feb 19 7.31pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government

[Link]

"He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.

I must rewatch Four Lions.

Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm)

Beautiful, top stuff

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