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 steph_eagle  Thornton Heath 30 Nov 17 9.37am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
So the charging of the gate and the decision to close the turnstiles all happened after the game had kicked off? I don't know, I wasn't there but I am sure someone else can answer that. Paul isn't lying about being there, I know that much.
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 palace777  belfast 30 Nov 17 9.38am |
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simple answer for future games at brighton
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jeeagles  30 Nov 17 9.56am |
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Just seen the video of the palace fans pushing through the gates. I'll stand by my early comments that most of the blame has to lie with Brighton and the Police. Some people in their heads may feel we live an a utopian society where everyone is nice and honest. Unfortunately, the world isn't like that and that's why we need things like turnstiles and security arrangements. South London isn't the nicest of areas and with the thousands of supporters we have there may be one or two undersiarables. It looks like the Brighton stewards were pushed out of the way by a couple of dozen teenagers who jumped over the clearly inadequate turnstiles. If they had proper turnstyles this would have been impossible. If they had a few police behind them inside the ground they might have put up a bit more resistance. However, you have to pay for police inside the stadium and you have to pay more for full height turnstiles. Given that someone was stood in the middle of the crowd filming people pushing there way in it can't have been that chaotic. It seemed like a pretty feable attempt at crowd management coupled with cut price security arrangements. After being pushed over it appears Brighton panicked and locked out fans with tickets. The police behaviour towards fans waiting patiently outside was pretty dispicable. But the police are all probably Brighton supporters. The inadequate performance of BHAFC's security arrangements for this easily foreseeable issue show that they are incompetent cheapskates who simply don't understand football. They are really just a bunch of guardian readers who've jumped on the bandwagon since it become fashionable. I bet you wouldn't have seen them at the Withdean.
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| legaleagle 30 Nov 17 9.59am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Call me Mr Old Fashioned, but how is it possible to reconcile these two accounts that are supposedly 20 minutes apart? The video appears to show that no one was being allowed through the away turnstiles, which confirms the reports on the night of 300 Palace ticket holders not getting in. I was locked out and kettled etc like Michaela...her account accords with my delightful experience.I arrived about 7.50-55 just as the riot police were running over to the away turnstiles in military formation and the dogs began sealing the area off so presumably the turnstiles had been closed shortly before then.
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| legaleagle 30 Nov 17 10.03am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
. They are really just a bunch of guardian readers who've jumped on the bandwagon since it become fashionable. I bet you wouldn't have seen them at the Withdean. Well,this Guardian reader and veteran of away days at the Withdean was locked out and kettled so don't resort to lazy stereotypes from hundreds of miles away Edited by legaleagle (30 Nov 2017 10.04am)
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 30 Nov 17 10.04am |
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Originally posted by steph_eagle
I don't know, I wasn't there but I am sure someone else can answer that. Paul isn't lying about being there, I know that much. Of course not, but it's almost impossible to reconcile someone walking into the ground minutes before kick off, apparently without a care in the world, and Michaela's account, is it not? That would suggest that everything was absolutely fine, right up until kick off, which doesn't accord with what's been reported.
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 30 Nov 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Well,this Guardian reader and veteran of away days at the Withdean was locked out and kettled so don't resort to lazy stereotypes from hundreds of miles away
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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| steph_eagle Thornton Heath 30 Nov 17 10.07am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Of course not, but it's almost impossible to reconcile someone walking into the ground minutes before kick off, apparently without a care in the world, and Michaela's account, is it not? That would suggest that everything was absolutely fine, right up until kick off, which doesn't accord with what's been reported. See what Legaleagle has wrote, that shows it kicked off after kick off
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| legaleagle 30 Nov 17 10.14am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
7.50-7.55
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 30 Nov 17 10.21am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
7.50-7.55 It does rather sound like 10 minutes earlier and you'd have got in.
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 30 Nov 17 10.23am |
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Originally posted by aquickgame2
For what its worth Got a cab to the ground ,arrived 5 mins before kick off,asked police where the away end was,asked if we were Palace and showed us where to go..They were polite and helpfull. Showed ticket and they checked it with our season ticket,had a chat with one of the stewards...Barry lovely bloke from the players lounge.got searched and sniffer dog was around...everybody happy,polite and just geared up for the game. Got held in after the game for about 30/40 mins,as expected,let out asked some police direction we needed to go to find our cab..they were polite and helpfull again.,got lost and asked more police which direction..again they were really helpful and polite. One of our lot got caught up with not being allowed in ( was meeting us there ) Did see the queue for the station but didnt see any problems at all. Apart from the smoke bombs/flares whatever they are and the bangers going off and some knob lobbing and banger while we were waiting to get out...never saw any other problem all night.Heard one bloke at halftime boasting he got in without a ticket..he wasn't dresssed in black Really sorry for the innocent people,who got caught up in all the crap that went on. This is how it should have been for everyone and probably was for most. They (brighton) panicked when the 20 or so Palace got in, presumably without tickets (although there is no actual evidence of this) and then threw a strop and took it out on the couple of hundred Palace fans still to get in. Unfortunately I believe that it was Big Barry (from the Players Lounge) who ended up in hospital
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| jeeagles 30 Nov 17 10.26am |
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Guardian readers always trying to take the moral high ground.
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