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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Oct 17 4.39pm
I saw a chart (that I now cannot find again) that showed some astonishing stats on U.S. gun ownership: 78% of Americans do not own a gun 19% of Americans own 50% of the guns 3% of Americans own the other 50% Wow! The 3% are the gun fetishists that I mentioned in an earlier post, but I had no idea that they were this far off the charts (literally). So when ~90% of all Americans favor "common sense" gun controls, we know who comprises a significant proportion of the opposition. They estimate (because there isn't a registry so no way to know for sure) ~300 millions guns in America. So that 3% - basically 10 million people - own 30 guns each. So that's 10 million potential Stephen Paddocks running around with their personal arsenals, ammunition stockpiles and bump stock firing mechanisms. Yikes! We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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I saw a chart (that I now cannot find again) that showed some astonishing stats on U.S. gun ownership:

78% of Americans do not own a gun
19% of Americans own 50% of the guns
3% of Americans own the other 50%

Wow!

The 3% are the gun fetishists that I mentioned in an earlier post, but I had no idea that they were this far off the charts (literally).

So when ~90% of all Americans favor "common sense" gun controls, we know who comprises a significant proportion of the opposition.

They estimate (because there isn't a registry so no way to know for sure) ~300 millions guns in America. So that 3% - basically 10 million people - own 30 guns each. So that's 10 million potential Stephen Paddocks running around with their personal arsenals, ammunition stockpiles and bump stock firing mechanisms.

Yikes!

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stuk Top half 06 Oct 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I saw a chart (that I now cannot find again) that showed some astonishing stats on U.S. gun ownership: 78% of Americans do not own a gun 19% of Americans own 50% of the guns 3% of Americans own the other 50% Wow! The 3% are the gun fetishists that I mentioned in an earlier post, but I had no idea that they were this far off the charts (literally). So when ~90% of all Americans favor "common sense" gun controls, we know who comprises a significant proportion of the opposition. They estimate (because there isn't a registry so no way to know for sure) ~300 millions guns in America. So that 3% - basically 10 million people - own 30 guns each. So that's 10 million potential Stephen Paddocks running around with their personal arsenals, ammunition stockpiles and bump stock firing mechanisms. Yikes! Here you go: [Link] Optimistic as ever
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Top half 06 Oct 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I saw a chart (that I now cannot find again) that showed some astonishing stats on U.S. gun ownership:

78% of Americans do not own a gun
19% of Americans own 50% of the guns
3% of Americans own the other 50%

Wow!

The 3% are the gun fetishists that I mentioned in an earlier post, but I had no idea that they were this far off the charts (literally).

So when ~90% of all Americans favor "common sense" gun controls, we know who comprises a significant proportion of the opposition.

Yikes!

Here you go:
[Link]

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Oct 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by Stuk Here you go: [Link] Thanks! We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 06 Oct 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Here you go:
[Link]

Thanks!

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Stuk Top half 06 Oct 17 5.08pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Thanks! You're welcome. There is also a more comprehensive breakdown of them here: Edited by Stuk (06 Oct 2017 5.08pm) Attachment: DCGO.pdf (20.59Kb) Optimistic as ever
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Top half 06 Oct 17 5.08pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Thanks!

You're welcome. There is also a more comprehensive breakdown of them here:

Edited by Stuk (06 Oct 2017 5.08pm)

Attachment: DCGO.pdf (20.59Kb)

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.TUX. 06 Oct 17 9.05pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Well, ignoring the completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory...the t*** had tripods that took the weight. All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger. An observation, but feel free to label as you wish. ''All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger''. So the tripods also mitigated the continual force of the recoil? In my little world, 95% of people (yes, that includes you) would ache/need a rest when holding a standard SDS drill while drilling into masonry for around 1min. God knows how much force firearms such as those used would require..............but apparently an unfit OAP managed it? God Bless America Buy Litecoin.
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06 Oct 17 9.05pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Well, ignoring the completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory...the t*** had tripods that took the weight. All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger.

An observation, but feel free to label as you wish.
''All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger''. So the tripods also mitigated the continual force of the recoil?
In my little world, 95% of people (yes, that includes you) would ache/need a rest when holding a standard SDS drill while drilling into masonry for around 1min.
God knows how much force firearms such as those used would require..............but apparently an unfit OAP managed it?
God Bless America

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.TUX. 06 Oct 17 9.10pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Do you think this forum is run by Zionists, MI5 or lizards? Decent people. And do shut up. You're beyond boring. Buy Litecoin.
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06 Oct 17 9.10pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Do you think this forum is run by Zionists, MI5 or lizards?

Decent people.
And do shut up. You're beyond boring.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 06 Oct 17 9.32pm
its americas fault for allowing every tom, dick & harry permission to own a firearm. they cant blame the constitution, thats bulls***. genuinally cant fatham how people are allowed to own a gun knowing it can easily kill a person ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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its americas fault for allowing every tom, dick & harry permission to own a firearm.

they cant blame the constitution, thats bulls***.

genuinally cant fatham how people are allowed to own a gun knowing it can easily kill a person

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Oct 17 9.41pm
Originally posted by .TUX. An observation, but feel free to label as you wish. ''All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger''. So the tripods also mitigated the continual force of the recoil? In my little world, 95% of people (yes, that includes you) would ache/need a rest when holding a standard SDS drill while drilling into masonry for around 1min. God knows how much force firearms such as those used would require..............but apparently an unfit OAP managed it? God Bless America Semi-automatics don't recoil as much as other rifles because the recoil energy is used to re-cock the weapon and - in this case because of the bump stock - re-fire the weapon. He isn't an OAP (64) and you have no information to suggest that he was unfit. But still, stuff you make up in your head > reality. Enjoy. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 06 Oct 17 9.41pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Semi-automatics don't recoil as much as other rifles because the recoil energy is used to re-cock the weapon and - in this case because of the bump stock - re-fire the weapon. He isn't an OAP (64) and you have no information to suggest that he was unfit.

But still, stuff you make up in your head > reality.

Enjoy.

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.TUX. 06 Oct 17 9.52pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Semi-automatics don't recoil as much as other rifles because the recoil energy is used to re-cock the weapon and - in this case because of the bump stock - re-fire the weapon. He isn't an OAP (64) and you have no information to suggest that he was unfit. But still, stuff you make up in your head > reality. Enjoy. The voice of experience methinks. Buy Litecoin.
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06 Oct 17 9.52pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

But still, stuff you make up in your head > reality.

Enjoy.

The voice of experience methinks.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Oct 17 10.06pm
Originally posted by .TUX. The voice of experience methinks. You seem to think that every violent event is not as it appears and is some sort of conspiracy. You have no evidence whatsoever to support these theories and can offer no sensible motives for the conspiracies apart from vague nonsense about the state using the events as excuses for their actions. It's nuts and an insult to the victims. Edited by hedgehog50 (06 Oct 2017 10.08pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Oct 17 10.06pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

The voice of experience methinks.

You seem to think that every violent event is not as it appears and is some sort of conspiracy. You have no evidence whatsoever to support these theories and can offer no sensible motives for the conspiracies apart from vague nonsense about the state using the events as excuses for their actions. It's nuts and an insult to the victims.

Edited by hedgehog50 (06 Oct 2017 10.08pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stuk Top half 06 Oct 17 10.45pm
Originally posted by .TUX. An observation, but feel free to label as you wish. ''All he had to do was roughly aim and pull the trigger''. So the tripods also mitigated the continual force of the recoil? In my little world, 95% of people (yes, that includes you) would ache/need a rest when holding a standard SDS drill while drilling into masonry for around 1min. God knows how much force firearms such as those used would require..............but apparently an unfit OAP managed it? God Bless America I've fired plenty of guns like the kind used and they are remarkably easy. You'd get more recoil off of some handguns. And it's not even comparable to using a SDS bit in a hammer drill. You don't lock a hammer drill into your shoulder so the forearms and biceps take the brunt of it, oppose to a little light bruising, at best, to the shoulder when firing a fully automatic weapon. An AR50 packs a punch but if you've got it on a tripod with your stance well set it's simply a case of keep on pulling the trigger. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 06 Oct 17 10.45pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I've fired plenty of guns like the kind used and they are remarkably easy. You'd get more recoil off of some handguns.

And it's not even comparable to using a SDS bit in a hammer drill. You don't lock a hammer drill into your shoulder so the forearms and biceps take the brunt of it, oppose to a little light bruising, at best, to the shoulder when firing a fully automatic weapon.

An AR50 packs a punch but if you've got it on a tripod with your stance well set it's simply a case of keep on pulling the trigger.

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Oct 17 8.37pm
Reports say that Paddock tried to buy tracer rounds, but the gun show he was at had sold out. THat's a huge lucky break, because he would've been far more accurate - and deadly - if he'd been able to see exactly where his shots were going. The counter being that he'd have been more easily spotted, but I doubt he would've been stopped before the 11 minutes or so after which he stopped himself. About that, the security guard was on that floor at that time because they had a door ajar alarm on another room. Paddock shot the guard through the door but never returned to firing at the crowd after that. Had that completely random coincidence not occurred, who knows how long he would've kept firing out the windows at the crowd. It took an hour after the security guard identified the room for a SWAT team to get to that door... Also, he is believed to have had a go at some fuel tanks at the very nearby McCarran airport. I've been to the Mandalay Bay, and the airport seems like it's right next door. From the higher floors, you look down right over the airport pan. Edited by Ray in Houston (07 Oct 2017 8.40pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Reports say that Paddock tried to buy tracer rounds, but the gun show he was at had sold out. THat's a huge lucky break, because he would've been far more accurate - and deadly - if he'd been able to see exactly where his shots were going.

The counter being that he'd have been more easily spotted, but I doubt he would've been stopped before the 11 minutes or so after which he stopped himself.

About that, the security guard was on that floor at that time because they had a door ajar alarm on another room. Paddock shot the guard through the door but never returned to firing at the crowd after that. Had that completely random coincidence not occurred, who knows how long he would've kept firing out the windows at the crowd. It took an hour after the security guard identified the room for a SWAT team to get to that door...

Also, he is believed to have had a go at some fuel tanks at the very nearby McCarran airport. I've been to the Mandalay Bay, and the airport seems like it's right next door. From the higher floors, you look down right over the airport pan.

Edited by Ray in Houston (07 Oct 2017 8.40pm)

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