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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Jun 17 11.58am
Originally posted by croydon proud Ahhh, yes, it probably will be, after a few brown envelopes have changed hands, but thats ok, just businessmen doing business, just business! Do you know how a Public Inquiry works? Or are you just throwing random words together? It is conducted in Public where all parties with a vested interest se the evidence. There are rare occasions where part of one may be held in secret e.g. National Security. The openness of the process is why very few are ever instructed the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 16 Jun 17 11.58am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Ahhh, yes, it probably will be, after a few brown envelopes have changed hands, but thats ok, just businessmen doing business, just business!

Do you know how a Public Inquiry works? Or are you just throwing random words together?

It is conducted in Public where all parties with a vested interest se the evidence. There are rare occasions where part of one may be held in secret e.g. National Security.

The openness of the process is why very few are ever instructed

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 16 Jun 17 12.12pm
If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging . Read this. Poor poor man. I hope the survivors are being supported in more ways than a room being paid for by the council. My heart breaks for him. Your home is where you should feel safe. To be trapped and die there like that. Well. I just don't know how to say how terrifying this is. [Link] When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 16 Jun 17 12.12pm

If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging .

Read this.
Poor poor man.

I hope the survivors are being supported in more ways than a room being paid for by the council. My heart breaks for him. Your home is where you should feel safe. To be trapped and die there like that. Well. I just don't know how to say how terrifying this is.

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When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Jun 17 12.25pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging . Read this. Poor poor man. I hope the survivors are being supported in more ways than a room being paid for by the council. My heart breaks for him. Your home is where you should feel safe. To be trapped and die there like that. Well. I just don't know how to say how terrifying this is. [Link] And that from a young and fit healthy man. Those above him younger and older would have had no chance. A truly hellish way to die. I hope some very stiff prison sentences are heading the way of those responsible. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 16 Jun 17 12.25pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging .

Read this.
Poor poor man.

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And that from a young and fit healthy man. Those above him younger and older would have had no chance. A truly hellish way to die. I hope some very stiff prison sentences are heading the way of those responsible.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jeeagles 16 Jun 17 12.25pm
This is a tragic event and lots of people are trying to politicise it looking for a single scapegoat. Unfortunately, in disasters like these there is always a number of errors which all add up to cause a catastrophe. You could go back to the 1970's and criticise the cheap modular construction of the tower block with only a small entrance and one stair well. It's still not clear what caused the fridge on the 4th floor to blow up, it could have been dodgy electrics in the building or the fridge, it could have been the electrics were overloaded due to inadequate power supply or disregard by the resident. It's come out that the resident who's fridge it was apparently packed a bag of belongings, then went to knock on his neighbours door, then left the building and called the fire brigade. When the fire services got the the building they had to negotiate a number of bollards, find a stand pipe and gain access to the building via a single inadequate door. By that time the fire could have taken hold. The local authority will have to take some accountability for this. Then there is the issue of the cladding. So far its thought that it met all the regulations, but there were questions over whether or not the insulation material should have been approved for use in high rise buildings. The alarm system failed, and the stay-put guidance was clearly incorrect. Questions about sprinkler systems have been raised. I'm not sure how a high pressure sprinkler system could be retrospectively added to a high rise building. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference. Also, I'm not sure if all residents would have welcomed a system that could soak everything they own without the benefit of hindsight. I've seen reports that there was a gas supply to the building, and seen images showing lights still on whilst the fire was burning. Showing that the electric supply wasn't instantly cut. There's reports of concern about fire safety being raised on blogs and in report but nothing to show if these reports got to the right people. It's clear that the residents were failed by through the design and maintenance of the building, and through the operational procedures. Lack of action through successive governments and civil service groups have also played a part. Behaviours of individuals will also have played apart. I'm not sure what adjective there is to use to convey how impressed I was with the brave fire fighters. Having to deal with multiple failures of others. In future its clear, we need to build more homes and assess existing housing stock to get rid of properties that are unfit for human habitation.
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16 Jun 17 12.25pm

This is a tragic event and lots of people are trying to politicise it looking for a single scapegoat.

Unfortunately, in disasters like these there is always a number of errors which all add up to cause a catastrophe.

You could go back to the 1970's and criticise the cheap modular construction of the tower block with only a small entrance and one stair well.

It's still not clear what caused the fridge on the 4th floor to blow up, it could have been dodgy electrics in the building or the fridge, it could have been the electrics were overloaded due to inadequate power supply or disregard by the resident.

It's come out that the resident who's fridge it was apparently packed a bag of belongings, then went to knock on his neighbours door, then left the building and called the fire brigade.

When the fire services got the the building they had to negotiate a number of bollards, find a stand pipe and gain access to the building via a single inadequate door. By that time the fire could have taken hold. The local authority will have to take some accountability for this.

Then there is the issue of the cladding. So far its thought that it met all the regulations, but there were questions over whether or not the insulation material should have been approved for use in high rise buildings.

The alarm system failed, and the stay-put guidance was clearly incorrect.

Questions about sprinkler systems have been raised. I'm not sure how a high pressure sprinkler system could be retrospectively added to a high rise building. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference. Also, I'm not sure if all residents would have welcomed a system that could soak everything they own without the benefit of hindsight.

I've seen reports that there was a gas supply to the building, and seen images showing lights still on whilst the fire was burning. Showing that the electric supply wasn't instantly cut.

There's reports of concern about fire safety being raised on blogs and in report but nothing to show if these reports got to the right people.

It's clear that the residents were failed by through the design and maintenance of the building, and through the operational procedures. Lack of action through successive governments and civil service groups have also played a part. Behaviours of individuals will also have played apart.

I'm not sure what adjective there is to use to convey how impressed I was with the brave fire fighters. Having to deal with multiple failures of others.

In future its clear, we need to build more homes and assess existing housing stock to get rid of properties that are unfit for human habitation.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 17 12.28pm
When it comes down to the blame game I do think we need to be careful, accurate and proportional. Hindsight is very much in evidence here...having said that I think there is a wider point that can be made about disasters like this one. If those with means had been living in a high rise tower block....which is preposterous of course but if that somehow were possible then you would very much expect that building to have sprinkler systems and working alarms and for non combustible materials to be standard. It's very important that government understands that it is here to represent the very best of us down to the least able of us....We are all apart of that same family despite our differences. When it comes to safety this really should matter. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2017 12.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 17 12.28pm

When it comes down to the blame game I do think we need to be careful, accurate and proportional. Hindsight is very much in evidence here...having said that I think there is a wider point that can be made about disasters like this one.

If those with means had been living in a high rise tower block....which is preposterous of course but if that somehow were possible then you would very much expect that building to have sprinkler systems and working alarms and for non combustible materials to be standard.

It's very important that government understands that it is here to represent the very best of us down to the least able of us....We are all apart of that same family despite our differences.

When it comes to safety this really should matter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2017 12.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Jun 17 12.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays When it comes down to the blame game I do think we need to be careful, accurate and proportional. Hindsight is very much in evidence here...having said that I think there is a wider point that can be made about disasters like this one. If those with means had been living in a high rise tower block....which is preposterous of course but if that somehow were possible then you would very much expect that building to have sprinkler systems and working alarms and for non combustible materials to be standard. It's very important that government understands that it is here to represent the very best of us down to the least able of us....We are all apart of that same family despite our differences. When it comes to safety this really should matter. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2017 12.30pm) It's truly not. I repost this letter from a few months back. It is a stark warning. Grenfell Action group "It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster. Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death. It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders. We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:" Edited by Kermit8 (16 Jun 2017 12.35pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 16 Jun 17 12.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When it comes down to the blame game I do think we need to be careful, accurate and proportional. Hindsight is very much in evidence here...having said that I think there is a wider point that can be made about disasters like this one.

It's very important that government understands that it is here to represent the very best of us down to the least able of us....We are all apart of that same family despite our differences.

When it comes to safety this really should matter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2017 12.30pm)

It's truly not. I repost this letter from a few months back. It is a stark warning.

Grenfell Action group

"It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.

Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death.

It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders.

We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:"

Edited by Kermit8 (16 Jun 2017 12.35pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Jun 17 1.16pm
'Justice for Grenfell' event tonight, lets hope it doesn't become violent. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 16 Jun 17 1.16pm

'Justice for Grenfell' event tonight, lets hope it doesn't become violent.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Jun 17 1.26pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 'Justice for Grenfell' event tonight, lets hope it doesn't become violent. Why should it? There is a lot of understandable anger about a disaster much predicted but that doesn't automatically mean physical violence. does it? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 16 Jun 17 1.26pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

'Justice for Grenfell' event tonight, lets hope it doesn't become violent.

Why should it? There is a lot of understandable anger about a disaster much predicted but that doesn't automatically mean physical violence. does it?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jun 17 1.58pm
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DanH SW2 16 Jun 17 2.07pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Why should it? There is a lot of understandable anger about a disaster much predicted but that doesn't automatically mean physical violence. does it? Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area.
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SW2 16 Jun 17 2.07pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Why should it? There is a lot of understandable anger about a disaster much predicted but that doesn't automatically mean physical violence. does it?

Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Jun 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by DanH Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area. I'm sure you'd love it. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 16 Jun 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by DanH

Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area.

I'm sure you'd love it.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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elgrande bedford 16 Jun 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by DanH Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area. As I said earlier,what does that achieve looting and setting fire to other people's property..a big fat nothing. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 16 Jun 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by DanH

Wouldn't be surprised if it did though unfortunately. Seems to be a lot of anger on the ground that could quickly spill over, especially given the location among vast amounts of wealth in the area.

As I said earlier,what does that achieve looting and setting fire to other people's property..a big fat nothing.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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