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legaleagle  07 Jun 15 3.29pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 1.45pm
There's a fair amount of sense in that. However, what's this constant refrain about the NHS falling down if it had less migrant workers? Is there a bias against British workers? Our youth deserve a chance.....They will spend their money here not ship it out into their own country.
.................................................... Are many of them trained doctors and nurses with some years' experience?..it is trained doctors and nurses from overseas that are keeping the NHS afloat while "our" doctors go off to better paid employment with better working conditions in places like Australia... Edited by legaleagle (07 Jun 2015 3.30pm)
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Quote legaleagle at 07 Jun 2015 3.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 1.45pm
There's a fair amount of sense in that. However, what's this constant refrain about the NHS falling down if it had less migrant workers? Is there a bias against British workers? Our youth deserve a chance.....They will spend their money here not ship it out into their own country.
.................................................... Are many of them trained doctors and nurses with some years' experience?..it is trained doctors and nurses from overseas that are keeping the NHS afloat while "our" doctors go off to better paid employment with better working conditions in places like Australia... Edited by legaleagle (07 Jun 2015 3.30pm) See this is where legislation should be brought in. Anyone who has done any training/apprenticeship on government funded programmes (In other words the poor ol taxpayer)shouldn't be allowed to jump ship as soon as they hae their qualifications. Depending on level of skillset there should be some sort of sliding scale to how long they stay in service, alternatively If they leave early or indeed wish to leave early they should pay back their training costs.
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| derben 07 Jun 15 3.56pm |
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Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews.
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| Steptoe 07 Jun 15 4.06pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
Quote In many case, quite the opposite.
No. Quote Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews.
If so, I wonder why...
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 15 4.17pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jun 15 4.21pm |
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Quote Jimenez at 07 Jun 2015 3.55pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Jun 2015 3.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 1.45pm
There's a fair amount of sense in that. However, what's this constant refrain about the NHS falling down if it had less migrant workers? Is there a bias against British workers? Our youth deserve a chance.....They will spend their money here not ship it out into their own country.
.................................................... Are many of them trained doctors and nurses with some years' experience?..it is trained doctors and nurses from overseas that are keeping the NHS afloat while "our" doctors go off to better paid employment with better working conditions in places like Australia... Edited by legaleagle (07 Jun 2015 3.30pm) See this is where legislation should be brought in. Anyone who has done any training/apprenticeship on government funded programmes (In other words the poor ol taxpayer)shouldn't be allowed to jump ship as soon as they hae their qualifications. Depending on level of skillset there should be some sort of sliding scale to how long they stay in service, alternatively If they leave early or indeed wish to leave early they should pay back their training costs. Doctors training is funded by people attending medical school, not hospitals, they then work through a residency and specialist training on the job. Similarly most Nursing works on a similar basis, except for those trusts that offer apprenticeship schemes. You have to have a degree in pre-registration nursing apparently to become a Nurse. At best you'll be on an apprentice scheme (meaning you'll work half the time or more as a cheap nurse).
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| derben 07 Jun 15 4.35pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 4.17pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot.
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| derben 07 Jun 15 4.39pm |
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Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 4.06pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
Quote In many case, quite the opposite.
No. Quote Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews.
If so, I wonder why...
Perhaps it is because the NHS is ultra sensitive to political correctness and is scared shi**less of being perceives as 'institutionally racist' - that wonderful (and largely meaningless) scatter-gun, derogatory generalisation.
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| Steptoe 07 Jun 15 4.45pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 4.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 4.17pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
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| derben 07 Jun 15 4.49pm |
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Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 4.45pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 4.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 4.17pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 15 4.50pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 4.21pm
Quote Jimenez at 07 Jun 2015 3.55pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Jun 2015 3.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 1.45pm
There's a fair amount of sense in that. However, what's this constant refrain about the NHS falling down if it had less migrant workers? Is there a bias against British workers? Our youth deserve a chance.....They will spend their money here not ship it out into their own country.
.................................................... Are many of them trained doctors and nurses with some years' experience?..it is trained doctors and nurses from overseas that are keeping the NHS afloat while "our" doctors go off to better paid employment with better working conditions in places like Australia... Edited by legaleagle (07 Jun 2015 3.30pm) See this is where legislation should be brought in. Anyone who has done any training/apprenticeship on government funded programmes (In other words the poor ol taxpayer)shouldn't be allowed to jump ship as soon as they hae their qualifications. Depending on level of skillset there should be some sort of sliding scale to how long they stay in service, alternatively If they leave early or indeed wish to leave early they should pay back their training costs. Doctors training is funded by people attending medical school, not hospitals, they then work through a residency and specialist training on the job. Similarly most Nursing works on a similar basis, except for those trusts that offer apprenticeship schemes. You have to have a degree in pre-registration nursing apparently to become a Nurse. At best you'll be on an apprentice scheme (meaning you'll work half the time or more as a cheap nurse). Pay back training costs? You obviously missed out on the fact that those training to be doctors, nurses teachers etc are saddled with tuition fees.
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| Steptoe 07 Jun 15 4.51pm |
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Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 4.49pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 4.45pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 4.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Jun 2015 4.17pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 3.56pm
Quote Steptoe at 07 Jun 2015 3.05pm
Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 2.15pm
"Is there a bias against British workers". Yes, I think there is. Immigrants workers are constantly described as hard working, willing to do jobs that British workers will not, vibrant, etc. Whereas British workers are described as work-shy, benefit scroungers and generally feckless. It is in effect racism towards our own indigenous population.
In many case, quite the opposite. Anyway, many state employers, like the NHS, remove from sight the names of applicants from those drawing up shortlists for interviews. Maybe in your mind, but it seems that research in both the US and UK confirms that prejudice (class and racial) plays a role in selection candidates for interview (from Business, Economics, Psychology and Sociological research). The NHS fills from foreign based agencies, some allege because its cheaper than training and using UK staff. If that is true, and is true of employers that happened to be from an ethnic minority, doesn't it just show that people prefer to associate with people of their own race, language, culture and religion? It is the fundamental problem with multi-culturalism, but of course the new left/libs just pretend it is a wonderful rainbow melting pot. You live in a society of different races. Maybe there are whiter, more christian countries you can go to, though of course by your own logic you wouldn't really belong there so would be fine with being treated as a second class citizen.
Not where I live. I don't treat anyone as a second class citizen, I merely prefer to live with people of my own race, language, culture and religion. And if people of different races move into your area then what?
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