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TheJudge 28 Apr 15 10.45am
Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.
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TheJudge

28 Apr 15 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Apr 15 12.03pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all. The reason it is funny...."by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State" And its logic? Some families who happen to follow the Muslim faith - they are not all religious fanatics don't you know - have a higher birth rate than other families who do not. I repeat - " by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State". I mean - come on. How on earth can anyone not paranoid take that seriously? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

The reason it is funny...."by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State" And its logic? Some families who happen to follow the Muslim faith - they are not all religious fanatics don't you know - have a higher birth rate than other families who do not.

I repeat - " by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State". I mean - come on. How on earth can anyone not paranoid take that seriously?

Big chest and massive boobs

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TheJudge 28 Apr 15 12.20pm
I see your point of view. However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ? What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ? We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.
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TheJudge

28 Apr 15 12.20pm

I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.

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Mapletree Croydon 28 Apr 15 12.27pm
As we will all be Muslamic (and all have rayguns, for those that know the video) we will have an alignment of interests. So we can all relax again, innit.
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Mapletree

Croydon 28 Apr 15 12.27pm

As we will all be Muslamic (and all have rayguns, for those that know the video) we will have an alignment of interests. So we can all relax again, innit.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Apr 15 12.29pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all. Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced. It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 28 Apr 15 12.29pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced.

It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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ghosteagle 28 Apr 15 1.02pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm I see your point of view. However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ? What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ? We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder. There'll be using teleporters.
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ghosteagle

28 Apr 15 1.02pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm

I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.

There'll be using teleporters.

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TheJudge 28 Apr 15 1.04pm
Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 12.29pm Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all. Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced. It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable. Nothing wrong with being a Muslim. I'm not sure what that really means. What is wrong or right is subjective. If society says something is right or wrong then it has the weight of the law behind it to enforce current morality. What is of consequence is the political landscape which will change if large groups of immigrants and their offspring populate a country. What I see from many is a head in the sand attitude.
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TheJudge

28 Apr 15 1.04pm

Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 12.29pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced.

It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable.

Nothing wrong with being a Muslim.

I'm not sure what that really means. What is wrong or right is subjective. If society says something is right or wrong then it has the weight of the law behind it to enforce current morality.
What is of consequence is the political landscape which will change if large groups of immigrants and their offspring populate a country. What I see from many is a head in the sand attitude.

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TheJudge 28 Apr 15 1.06pm
Quote ghosteagle at 28 Apr 2015 1.02pm Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm I see your point of view. However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ? What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ? We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder. There'll be using teleporters. Their faith probably won't allow it.
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TheJudge

28 Apr 15 1.06pm

Quote ghosteagle at 28 Apr 2015 1.02pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm

I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.

There'll be using teleporters.

Their faith probably won't allow it.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Apr 15 1.07pm
Quote imbored at 27 Apr 2015 10.03pm I'm simply saying that you're overestimating its importance to such an extent that you feed racist dynamics rather than reduce them. To scoff at the end of apartheid is to maintain a myth that people are so different due to race that keeping races apart is fair enough. We've moved beyond those ideas. If we endlessly separated people for being different from one another we would never stop. Your comments here are as political as anyone elses. Ethnicity doesn't equal culture. Arguments can be made for the latter perhaps where beliefs are totally at odds with one another, but the race of an individual tells you next to nothing about them, unless you wish to suggest otherwise of course.. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 10.16pm) Race is scientifically speaking utterly irrelevant in the determination of behavior being replaced long ago by modern population genetics. Studies of genetics show that diversity within a 'race' is more or less the same as diversity between 'races'. Race is determined by alignment of inherited blood genes, which determine factors relating to blood and pigmentation, and that is all, they're purely biologically functional, rather than having behavioral characteristics. Humans, have more genetic similarity to each other racially, than differences. Its just that skin colour remains a perceptually idenfiable. Culture and ethnicity are social constructions, they're not inherited per se, but learned. As such they exist as discourses, rather than inherited traits. Importantly, even in terms of cultures and ethnicity, there exist within each of these hyperthetical constructs discourses in conflict, and are infact constructed around different conflicting ideas of culture and ethnicity, rather than singular ones. People mistake popular and their own constructs, for true, simply because its cognitively more convenient to do so, but in fact culture and ethnicity are really nothing more than ideas about culture and ethnicity. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote imbored at 27 Apr 2015 10.03pm

I'm simply saying that you're overestimating its importance to such an extent that you feed racist dynamics rather than reduce them. To scoff at the end of apartheid is to maintain a myth that people are so different due to race that keeping races apart is fair enough. We've moved beyond those ideas.

If we endlessly separated people for being different from one another we would never stop. Your comments here are as political as anyone elses. Ethnicity doesn't equal culture. Arguments can be made for the latter perhaps where beliefs are totally at odds with one another, but the race of an individual tells you next to nothing about them, unless you wish to suggest otherwise of course..

Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 10.16pm)

Race is scientifically speaking utterly irrelevant in the determination of behavior being replaced long ago by modern population genetics. Studies of genetics show that diversity within a 'race' is more or less the same as diversity between 'races'.

Race is determined by alignment of inherited blood genes, which determine factors relating to blood and pigmentation, and that is all, they're purely biologically functional, rather than having behavioral characteristics.

Humans, have more genetic similarity to each other racially, than differences. Its just that skin colour remains a perceptually idenfiable.

Culture and ethnicity are social constructions, they're not inherited per se, but learned. As such they exist as discourses, rather than inherited traits.

Importantly, even in terms of cultures and ethnicity, there exist within each of these hyperthetical constructs discourses in conflict, and are infact constructed around different conflicting ideas of culture and ethnicity, rather than singular ones.

People mistake popular and their own constructs, for true, simply because its cognitively more convenient to do so, but in fact culture and ethnicity are really nothing more than ideas about culture and ethnicity.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Apr 15 1.11pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 1.04pm Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 12.29pm Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all. Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced. It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable. Nothing wrong with being a Muslim. I'm not sure what that really means. What is wrong or right is subjective. If society says something is right or wrong then it has the weight of the law behind it to enforce current morality. What is of consequence is the political landscape which will change if large groups of immigrants and their offspring populate a country. What I see from many is a head in the sand attitude. Law doesn't enforce morality, nor should it - Attempts to direct morality through law have all resulted in oppression and failure, typically because it mistakes the concept of an idea being popular, for being right. UK laws in theory include constructions to protect the individual, and the minority, from the whim of the majority. You can't enforce morality, because morality doesn't exist. Popular Criminal Laws generally work because they function in the best interests of all people, rather than ideas of what is moral. In fact we protect the rights of the 'immoral' from the 'moral majority' "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Apr 15 1.11pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 1.04pm

Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 12.29pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

Actually non of the figures or quotes were sourced.

It also presumes there is something wrong with being Muslim, which is laughable.

Nothing wrong with being a Muslim.

Law doesn't enforce morality, nor should it - Attempts to direct morality through law have all resulted in oppression and failure, typically because it mistakes the concept of an idea being popular, for being right.

UK laws in theory include constructions to protect the individual, and the minority, from the whim of the majority.

You can't enforce morality, because morality doesn't exist. Popular Criminal Laws generally work because they function in the best interests of all people, rather than ideas of what is moral.

In fact we protect the rights of the 'immoral' from the 'moral majority'

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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TheJudge 28 Apr 15 1.14pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 1.07pm Quote imbored at 27 Apr 2015 10.03pm I'm simply saying that you're overestimating its importance to such an extent that you feed racist dynamics rather than reduce them. To scoff at the end of apartheid is to maintain a myth that people are so different due to race that keeping races apart is fair enough. We've moved beyond those ideas. If we endlessly separated people for being different from one another we would never stop. Your comments here are as political as anyone elses. Ethnicity doesn't equal culture. Arguments can be made for the latter perhaps where beliefs are totally at odds with one another, but the race of an individual tells you next to nothing about them, unless you wish to suggest otherwise of course.. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 10.16pm) Race is scientifically speaking utterly irrelevant in the determination of behavior being replaced long ago by modern population genetics. Studies of genetics show that diversity within a 'race' is more or less the same as diversity between 'races'. Race is determined by alignment of inherited blood genes, which determine factors relating to blood and pigmentation, and that is all, they're purely biologically functional, rather than having behavioral characteristics. Humans, have more genetic similarity to each other racially, than differences. Its just that skin colour remains a perceptually idenfiable. Culture and ethnicity are social constructions, they're not inherited per se, but learned. As such they exist as discourses, rather than inherited traits. Importantly, even in terms of cultures and ethnicity, there exist within each of these hyperthetical constructs discourses in conflict, and are infact constructed around different conflicting ideas of culture and ethnicity, rather than singular ones. People mistake popular and their own constructs, for true, simply because its cognitively more convenient to do so, but in fact culture and ethnicity are really nothing more than ideas about culture and ethnicity. This is debatable. It could be argued that social constructs are an extension of biology since they effect behaviour and behaviour is controlled by biology.
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TheJudge

28 Apr 15 1.14pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 1.07pm

Quote imbored at 27 Apr 2015 10.03pm

Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 10.16pm)

Humans, have more genetic similarity to each other racially, than differences. Its just that skin colour remains a perceptually idenfiable.

Culture and ethnicity are social constructions, they're not inherited per se, but learned. As such they exist as discourses, rather than inherited traits.

Importantly, even in terms of cultures and ethnicity, there exist within each of these hyperthetical constructs discourses in conflict, and are infact constructed around different conflicting ideas of culture and ethnicity, rather than singular ones.

This is debatable.

It could be argued that social constructs are an extension of biology since they effect behaviour and behaviour is controlled by biology.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Apr 15 1.14pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 12.03pm Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am Is anyone disputing these figures ? As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all. The reason it is funny...."by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State" And its logic? Some families who happen to follow the Muslim faith - they are not all religious fanatics don't you know - have a higher birth rate than other families who do not. I repeat - " by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State". I mean - come on. How on earth can anyone not paranoid take that seriously? Indeed, and throughout history it has been used as a 'rallying call' for all manner of cruel and oppressive movements, regimes and crimes. Its very poor methodology and pseudoscience. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 28 Apr 15 1.14pm

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 12.03pm

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 10.45am

Is anyone disputing these figures ?
As someone who loathes religious fanaticism, I don't find it funny at all.

I repeat - " by 2050 Germany will be an Islamic State". I mean - come on. How on earth can anyone not paranoid take that seriously?

Indeed, and throughout history it has been used as a 'rallying call' for all manner of cruel and oppressive movements, regimes and crimes.

Its very poor methodology and pseudoscience.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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