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Effects of Austerity Cuts part 58
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 npn  Crowborough 12 Jun 15 9.15am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Jun 2015 8.29am
Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 7.31am
Fire brigade made a judgement call about risk. If we could afford it, it would be nice to have a fully manned fire station on every corner, obviously we can't. Likewise rape cases would plummet if every woman were escorted by a police officer, also not practical. Assuming you're talking about the additional risk, that risk is exactly the same as if the fire crew were on another shout Get you with the fireman lingo. Someone's been watching 'London's Burning'!
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johnno42000  12 Jun 15 1.21pm |
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I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it).
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| johnno42000 12 Jun 15 1.25pm |
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The combined profit of £14 billion from the bank bailout sales which was alluded to isn't actually true according to Andrew Tyrie, Tory chairman of the Commons Treasury Committee. From the Daily Mail: 'that figure does not include £17billion in interest to service the £107.6billion cost of the bailouts.'
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| Stuk Top half 12 Jun 15 3.39pm |
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Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off.
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| johnno42000 12 Jun 15 4.14pm |
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Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Jun 15 4.26pm |
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Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.14pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off. Vince Cable as Business secretary of the coalition dealt with it, i.e. setting the price. That article you've linked to in the Mail is speculation. "they might reach 775p per share" and they might not. He sold them for 500p and they're trading now at 507p, whereas the IPO was 330p and they doubled in about a day or two.
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| johnno42000 12 Jun 15 4.38pm |
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Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.26pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.14pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off. Vince Cable as Business secretary of the coalition dealt with it, i.e. setting the price. That article you've linked to in the Mail is speculation. "they might reach 775p per share" and they might not. He sold them for 500p and they're trading now at 507p, whereas the IPO was 330p and they doubled in about a day or two. It is a Tory MP who is speculating and a very right wing newspaper who is printing it. You know as well as me that he would have not set the price alone and would have had to get the ok from the whole cabinet within the coalition. I can't see why it is so difficult for people to be honest and say Osborne and the Conservative government has cost the UK tax payer a lot of money over these sales. I'm more than happy to admit Labour cost the tax payer a lot of money, it's just a case of being honest and not believing everything either Labour or the Conservatives do is correct. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree Stuk but that's me done on politics for a while as I don't really like the subject as nobody seems to be able to change their minds (including me) and I have little regard for most MP's. Look forward to more chats when the Rugby World Cup is on
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| Stuk Top half 12 Jun 15 4.46pm |
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Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.26pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.14pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off. Vince Cable as Business secretary of the coalition dealt with it, i.e. setting the price. That article you've linked to in the Mail is speculation. "they might reach 775p per share" and they might not. He sold them for 500p and they're trading now at 507p, whereas the IPO was 330p and they doubled in about a day or two. It is a Tory MP who is speculating and a very right wing newspaper who is printing it. You know as well as me that he would have not set the price alone and would have had to get the ok from the whole cabinet within the coalition. I can't see why it is so difficult for people to be honest and say Osborne and the Conservative government has cost the UK tax payer a lot of money over these sales. I'm more than happy to admit Labour cost the tax payer a lot of money, it's just a case of being honest and not believing everything either Labour or the Conservatives do is correct. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree Stuk but that's me done on politics for a while as I don't really like the subject as nobody seems to be able to change their minds (including me) and I have little regard for most MP's. Look forward to more chats when the Rugby World Cup is on
It might cost us (RBS that is) but they didn't make the decision to give them the billions in the first place, just making them on how best to recoup it and when. You never get the actual truth from either side anyway, they'll use the figures or jargon that simply suits them best for a positive/negative spin. We can do this, somehow we have to dump one of the SH teams out in the group phase. A "home" RWC will never give us a better chance.
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| johnno42000 12 Jun 15 4.54pm |
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Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.46pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.26pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.14pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off. Vince Cable as Business secretary of the coalition dealt with it, i.e. setting the price. That article you've linked to in the Mail is speculation. "they might reach 775p per share" and they might not. He sold them for 500p and they're trading now at 507p, whereas the IPO was 330p and they doubled in about a day or two. It is a Tory MP who is speculating and a very right wing newspaper who is printing it. You know as well as me that he would have not set the price alone and would have had to get the ok from the whole cabinet within the coalition. I can't see why it is so difficult for people to be honest and say Osborne and the Conservative government has cost the UK tax payer a lot of money over these sales. I'm more than happy to admit Labour cost the tax payer a lot of money, it's just a case of being honest and not believing everything either Labour or the Conservatives do is correct. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree Stuk but that's me done on politics for a while as I don't really like the subject as nobody seems to be able to change their minds (including me) and I have little regard for most MP's. Look forward to more chats when the Rugby World Cup is on
It might cost us (RBS that is) but they didn't make the decision to give them the billions in the first place, just making them on how best to recoup it and when. You never get the actual truth from either side anyway, they'll use the figures or jargon that simply suits them best for a positive/negative spin. We can do this, somehow we have to dump one of the SH teams out in the group phase. A "home" RWC will never give us a better chance. I'm not sure if it's possible but what a final England - Wales would be, as long as both teams players keep fit and out of trouble, there must be a chance.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Jun 15 7.09pm |
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It's definitely possible. In fact I don't think you can play the team from your group again until the final. We had South Africa in our group in 2007 and then met them in the final.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 16 Jun 15 11.11am |
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Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.46pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 4.26pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 4.14pm
Quote Stuk at 12 Jun 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 12 Jun 2015 1.21pm
I really think the Tories should have learnt their lesson from the last sell off of the Royal Mail. What with this, and the £7-£13 billion loss on RBS, I do hope the Tory press will remember this at the next election and make a big deal about it (somehow I doubt it). RBS isn't an IPO, and Vince Cable dealt with the RM sell off. The coalition dealt with sell off. Vince Cable as Business secretary of the coalition dealt with it, i.e. setting the price. That article you've linked to in the Mail is speculation. "they might reach 775p per share" and they might not. He sold them for 500p and they're trading now at 507p, whereas the IPO was 330p and they doubled in about a day or two. It is a Tory MP who is speculating and a very right wing newspaper who is printing it. You know as well as me that he would have not set the price alone and would have had to get the ok from the whole cabinet within the coalition. I can't see why it is so difficult for people to be honest and say Osborne and the Conservative government has cost the UK tax payer a lot of money over these sales. I'm more than happy to admit Labour cost the tax payer a lot of money, it's just a case of being honest and not believing everything either Labour or the Conservatives do is correct. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree Stuk but that's me done on politics for a while as I don't really like the subject as nobody seems to be able to change their minds (including me) and I have little regard for most MP's. Look forward to more chats when the Rugby World Cup is on
It might cost us (RBS that is) but they didn't make the decision to give them the billions in the first place, just making them on how best to recoup it and when. You never get the actual truth from either side anyway, they'll use the figures or jargon that simply suits them best for a positive/negative spin. We can do this, somehow we have to dump one of the SH teams out in the group phase. A "home" RWC will never give us a better chance.
Council houses They always knock down the price because short term cash is more important to them than long-term value. It's a given, whether Tory, Labour, Lib Dem or anyone else, that they prefer a quick sale over "value for money". Gordon Brown did the same with PFI. Cheap in the short term, completely unaffordable in the long-term, but he doesn't care because he's long gone. Who came up with PFI? The Tories.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 15 9.20pm |
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Fair play to them. No doubt some on here will say they're shirkers who should get a bloody job (the same people that supported the dismantling of remploy)
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