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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 23 6.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What was the provision had a vaccine not been developed? Lockdown forever presumably.

There was a very high expectation that the vaccines could be developed as the technology was already available. However if, improbably, they had all failed then a reassessment would have become necessary by which time more information would have been available.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 6.35pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There was a very high expectation that the vaccines could be developed as the technology was already available. However if, improbably, they had all failed then a reassessment would have become necessary by which time more information would have been available.

Meanwhile the country would still have effectively been closed down. How long was that sustainable - 3 months? A year? 5 years?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 23 7.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

More on lockdown effectiveness.


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Both this and the other article you reference draw on the same source. Which is an analysis written by economists, not medical scientists. It is said to be peer reviewed but I cannot see by whom. It was published in early 2022 and is a comprehensive review of all the attempts at answering this question, which unsurprisingly reach different conclusions. Their own conclusion, that there is no evidence that lockdowns impacted mortality, does not appear to be borne out by the statistics contained within the data. It seems to me to be a completely subjective conclusion.

The book comes from the right wing political activist group calling themselves the “Institute of Economic Affairs” who pose as a think tank. They have long been campaigning against lockdowns.

I do not believe it is possible, even now, to reach general conclusions on this. It depends on each and every set of circumstances in each and every country. It depends on the availability of health services, population density and the behaviour of the people.

What must not be forgotten is that mortality is not the sole consideration when deciding if it is necessary to lockdown to suppress the spread of infectious. Ensuring that the health service can still function is also very important.

No doubt this analysis will be presented, along with others, at the enquiry, its conclusions reviewed to see if they apply to our circumstances and if there is anything useful to be learned from them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 23 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Meanwhile the country would still have effectively been closed down. How long was that sustainable - 3 months? A year? 5 years?

Who knows what a reassessment would determine in whatever circumstances then existed?

Trying to second guess such things is a waste of time and energy.

We did lockdown. We didn’t have to extend. We are now holding a comprehensive enquiry to see how can better prepare should another similar event occur.

Of course that doesn’t stop know it alls with inbuilt biases reaching their own conclusions ahead of the enquiry report. Nor, I expect, them disagreeing with any aspects of it that don’t match them.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 7.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who knows what a reassessment would determine in whatever circumstances then existed?

Trying to second guess such things is a waste of time and energy.

We did lockdown. We didn’t have to extend. We are now holding a comprehensive enquiry to see how can better prepare should another similar event occur.

Of course that doesn’t stop know it alls with inbuilt biases reaching their own conclusions ahead of the enquiry report. Nor, I expect, them disagreeing with any aspects of it that don’t match them.

It isn't a waste of time when it's relevant. How many more hundred billion could the country pay out to stay locked down? The availability of a new vaccine was a gamble the government couldn't afford to continue.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Both this and the other article you reference draw on the same source. Which is an analysis written by economists, not medical scientists. It is said to be peer reviewed but I cannot see by whom. It was published in early 2022 and is a comprehensive review of all the attempts at answering this question, which unsurprisingly reach different conclusions. Their own conclusion, that there is no evidence that lockdowns impacted mortality, does not appear to be borne out by the statistics contained within the data. It seems to me to be a completely subjective conclusion.

The book comes from the right wing political activist group calling themselves the “Institute of Economic Affairs” who pose as a think tank. They have long been campaigning against lockdowns.

I do not believe it is possible, even now, to reach general conclusions on this. It depends on each and every set of circumstances in each and every country. It depends on the availability of health services, population density and the behaviour of the people.

What must not be forgotten is that mortality is not the sole consideration when deciding if it is necessary to lockdown to suppress the spread of infectious. Ensuring that the health service can still function is also very important.

No doubt this analysis will be presented, along with others, at the enquiry, its conclusions reviewed to see if they apply to our circumstances and if there is anything useful to be learned from them.

Every country is unique but almost without exception took the same course of action.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 23 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It isn't a waste of time when it's relevant. How many more hundred billion could the country pay out to stay locked down? The availability of a new vaccine was a gamble the government couldn't afford to continue.

As it’s impossible to change anything with hindsight it is 100% a waste of time and energy. All you can do is learn lessons from the experiences you have had, which is exactly what we are doing.

The vaccines weren’t new. This a wasn’t blue sky development. The technology existed. What was required was the time to engineer the precise ones, to test them for safety and scale up the production. The world could not afford not to continue.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 23 10.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Every country is unique but almost without exception took the same course of action.

For perfectly understandable reasons.

Maybe one of the lessons will be that for some countries, with wide spread demographics and small population, lockdowns won’t be seen as part of the response, whilst in densely populated country they would be. Time will tell.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 11.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For perfectly understandable reasons.

Maybe one of the lessons will be that for some countries, with wide spread demographics and small population, lockdowns won’t be seen as part of the response, whilst in densely populated country they would be. Time will tell.

What time will tell is the reason the world closed down.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 23 8.40am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What time will tell is the reason the world closed down.

The world didn’t close down.

It paused some activities, mostly social and leisure, whilst reorganising the way others were performed. Notably that of working from home, something that proved so efficient it has continued to develop. (I was in the vanguard of that more than 25 years ago, but was working then for a very progressive German employer.)

The world fed itself and survived. Your tacit suggestion of an underlying, yet unknown, reason is but the kind of conspiracy theory we have been surrounded by in recent years.

Who knows what caused the outbreak? No one is certain, so all kinds of possibilities get floated. That doesn’t stop some being completely sure that what looks the most obvious isn’t true and that there are dark plans afoot to eliminate people, plant controlling microchips in our bloodstream or make George Soros and Bill Gates the rulers of the world via the WEF. Then there are the Chinese! Which do you favour?

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Nov 23 8.58am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The world didn’t close down.

It paused some activities, mostly social and leisure, whilst reorganising the way others were performed. Notably that of working from home, something that proved so efficient it has continued to develop. (I was in the vanguard of that more than 25 years ago, but was working then for a very progressive German employer.)

The world fed itself and survived. Your tacit suggestion of an underlying, yet unknown, reason is but the kind of conspiracy theory we have been surrounded by in recent years.

Who knows what caused the outbreak? No one is certain, so all kinds of possibilities get floated. That doesn’t stop some being completely sure that what looks the most obvious isn’t true and that there are dark plans afoot to eliminate people, plant controlling microchips in our bloodstream or make George Soros and Bill Gates the rulers of the world via the WEF. Then there are the Chinese! Which do you favour?

Personally the most likely explanation seems to be that the original virus came from the Wuhan lab. It's presence feels, to me, to be too coincidental for it to have come from any other source but I think it was accidental.
As far as lockdown conspiracy theories go the only one that makes any sense to me is that governments used the opportunity to try and introduce or reinforce cash free economies. I have no evidence for this idea other than the fact that this would have traceability/tax benefits and save money by not having to produce and transport cash money. Also the fact that Sweden is already virtually cash free so could be used as a test sample. As I say this is just a possibility but if I had to choose one it feels at least possible.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Nov 23 9.26am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Apparently the unvaccinated sperm donor meme has started to become a thing.

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