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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Dec 18 2.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Well no one is stopping you or anyone from doing so, or perhaps there is a fund already? I think the reason is certain people jump on these stories to peddle their racist views and don't actually give 2 hoots about the victims You make it sound like they are made up. Your type wishes it would all go away so you can live in your little delusion. Haven't you got it? Throwing in the word 'racist' doesn't work anymore. People are having their eye opened by reality.
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steve1984 03 Dec 18 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course you could have used the time it took to write your pedantic reply to set something up for the victims of grooming gangs.
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steve1984 03 Dec 18 2.19pm | |
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Well I took a closer look at Tommy Robinson and what he's saying and would accept that he has a perfectly valid point about immigration. People have every right to be concerned by it and calling them racist is wrong. Yes he attracts some people with extremist xenophobic views but to label all of his supporters as racists is plain wrong. But only some muslims hold extremist views and many or most of them don't cause problems. What I'd like to know is what TR supporters think is the solution? If you stick a wealthy country beside a poverty stricken one then there will always be pressure on the border between them that causes problems. Isn't it in everyone's interest to see an end to the extreme disparity in wealth & security between nations. And therefore wouldn't it be in our interest to help? Of course we should prioritise ending our own wealth disparity first but unless Africa and the Middle East become more prosperous then the problem is never going to go away.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Dec 18 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Of course you could have used the time it took to write your pedantic reply to set something up for the victims of grooming gangs. And it would be titled what then. grooming victims fund.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Dec 18 2.24pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Well I took a closer look at Tommy Robinson and what he's saying and would accept that he has a perfectly valid point about immigration. People have every right to be concerned by it and calling them racist is wrong. Yes he attracts some people with extremist xenophobic views but to label all of his supporters as racists is plain wrong. But only some muslims hold extremist views and many or most of them don't cause problems. What I'd like to know is what TR supporters think is the solution? If you stick a wealthy country beside a poverty stricken one then there will always be pressure on the border between them that causes problems. Isn't it in everyone's interest to see an end to the extreme disparity in wealth & security between nations. And therefore wouldn't it be in our interest to help? Of course we should prioritise ending our own wealth disparity first but unless Africa and the Middle East become more prosperous then the problem is never going to go away. Africa and tbe middle east has tons of dough.
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Pussay Patrol 03 Dec 18 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make it sound like they are made up. Your type wishes it would all go away so you can live in your little delusion. Haven't you got it? Throwing in the word 'racist' doesn't work anymore. People are having their eye opened by reality. You misunderstand. My point being anyone could start a fundraising page at anytime, even you could right now, tell you what, if you start one I'll donate £10. I think the answer is that the fund is done by real, decent people who really care as opposed to people who's only thought for the victim is to display bigoted faux outrage on social networks behind the comfort and anonymity of their PCs
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Stirlingsays 03 Dec 18 2.36pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Well I took a closer look at Tommy Robinson and what he's saying and would accept that he has a perfectly valid point about immigration. People have every right to be concerned by it and calling them racist is wrong. Yes he attracts some people with extremist xenophobic views but to label all of his supporters as racists is plain wrong. But only some muslims hold extremist views and many or most of them don't cause problems. What I'd like to know is what TR supporters think is the solution? If you stick a wealthy country beside a poverty stricken one then there will always be pressure on the border between them that causes problems. Isn't it in everyone's interest to see an end to the extreme disparity in wealth & security between nations. And therefore wouldn't it be in our interest to help? Of course we should prioritise ending our own wealth disparity first but unless Africa and the Middle East become more prosperous then the problem is never going to go away. A thoughtful post, far more than we usually get from those looking at the Robinson situation. I'd agree with the analysis on wealth disparity and also with the idea that wealthy nations should look to help less wealthy nations. I just strongly disagree that this should stretch to freely incorporating their nationals into our nations.....not when the problems associated run so deep. I still agree with helping poorer nations and continents like Africa (though massive investment and technology has been made and given there despite the 'white man bad' lens so many use). However while I agree with the humanity aspect of helping our fellow man, the reality is....what happens is rather than the middle class within those countries staying and improving those nations....many of them use that increased wealth to move to the west...not stay and....do what the Germans and Japanese did...improve their nations for the next generation. There simply isn't that same attitude in anything like the same numbers. So that help, has to be within fair trading practices and by working within those countries to set up strong institutions, education and profession guilds.....But I'm not fooled....this has been tried many times (again, this isn't anything you're told by the grievance historians). These countries have to invest in themselves....There are some successful stories coming out of Africa...but nothing comparable to even what we would consider weak nations... .Personally I'm also pretty much convinced that it won't happen either. Still a good man helps where he can, but only a stupid man opens his doors to trouble. Unfortunately we have had many people in positions of power who believed in idealism rather than common sense. As an aside...despite her tears, multi millionaire (est 15 million) Lilly Allen still hasn't opened the doors to any of her homes to immigrants......Funny that isn't it.
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dannyboy1978 03 Dec 18 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Well no one is stopping you or anyone from doing so, or perhaps there is a fund already? I think the reason is certain people jump on these stories to peddle their racist views and don't actually give 2 hoots about the victims Have you got an example you have read?
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Dec 18 4.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You misunderstand. My point being anyone could start a fundraising page at anytime, even you could right now, tell you what, if you start one I'll donate £10. I think the answer is that the fund is done by real, decent people who really care as opposed to people who's only thought for the victim is to display bigoted faux outrage on social networks behind the comfort and anonymity of their PCs That is a very low blow pp
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steve1984 03 Dec 18 6.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Personally I'm also pretty much convinced that it won't happen either. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2018 2.43pm) So we live behind some kind of barbed wire fence and hope the stench doesn't reach us? It has no direct bearing on any of this but I took my mother to lunch on Saturday at a Polish restaurant at South Kensington. It was opened in the early 50's and is still owned by a couple of Polish gents who are now in their nineties. Great food, service and excellent vfm but that's for another thread. In 1939 these two guys were taken as children to Siberia by the Soviets after Stalin and Hitler partitioned Poland (the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). After Adolf when back on his word and invaded Russia, the Polish Govt in exile persuaded the British to encourage Stalin to free the 1.5m Poles that were rotting away in Siberia so they could form an army. They became the Polish Army of the East, they then walked to Baghdad, where they joined up with British forces. They then traveled through Israel (where some of them, including Menachem Begin "jumped ship" ), onto Egypt and finally took part in the allied campaign in Italy where they fought at Monte Casino. I think the two friends who went onto establish the restaurant were too young to fight. Many of the Poles who were taken to Siberia took their families with them. The children were evacuated to New Zealand, Uganda and other bits of the Empire. Anyhow like I said this is all a bit irrelevant but when I got home from the smoke I read up a bit on the Polish Army of the East. They weren't keen on the Germans or the Ruskies and they fought heroically, winning many military honours along the way. I found this account of Corporal Ludwik Cytera's story. For me it was quite poignant because he ended up living very close to me here in Bristol. The inscription on one of his service medals reads "Let us reject everything that separates us, let us accept everything that unites us." Which is nice.
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W12 03 Dec 18 7.52pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
So we live behind some kind of barbed wire fence and hope the stench doesn't reach us? It has no direct bearing on any of this but I took my mother to lunch on Saturday at a Polish restaurant at South Kensington. It was opened in the early 50's and is still owned by a couple of Polish gents who are now in their nineties. Great food, service and excellent vfm but that's for another thread. In 1939 these two guys were taken as children to Siberia by the Soviets after Stalin and Hitler partitioned Poland (the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). After Adolf when back on his word and invaded Russia, the Polish Govt in exile persuaded the British to encourage Stalin to free the 1.5m Poles that were rotting away in Siberia so they could form an army. They became the Polish Army of the East, they then walked to Baghdad, where they joined up with British forces. They then traveled through Israel (where some of them, including Menachem Begin "jumped ship" ), onto Egypt and finally took part in the allied campaign in Italy where they fought at Monte Casino. I think the two friends who went onto establish the restaurant were too young to fight. Many of the Poles who were taken to Siberia took their families with them. The children were evacuated to New Zealand, Uganda and other bits of the Empire. Anyhow like I said this is all a bit irrelevant but when I got home from the smoke I read up a bit on the Polish Army of the East. They weren't keen on the Germans or the Ruskies and they fought heroically, winning many military honours along the way. I found this account of Corporal Ludwik Cytera's story. For me it was quite poignant because he ended up living very close to me here in Bristol. The inscription on one of his service medals reads "Let us reject everything that separates us, let us accept everything that unites us." Which is nice.
We have a fundamenal problem in that the doctrine of these people is driven by the idea that a perfect man wrote a perfect book that can never be changed. This man was was a warlord and the ideas of this book are completely at odds with our way of life (essentially a snapshot of the Middle/Dark Ages) . What Islam needs is a reformation such as we saw in the Christian church and an adoption of modern values. It’s hard to see that happening any time soon as even the moderate Muslims are victimised by their own hard liners and there no central mosque that might be able to dictate this. It’s a very poisonous situation the west if we keep increasing the Muslim population. As was proved with the Nazis and the Communists it doesn’t take a huge majority of people to lead the world into disaster and we are too many gererations away from the last war to see the danger.
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Stirlingsays 03 Dec 18 8.03pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
So we live behind some kind of barbed wire fence and hope the stench doesn't reach us? It has no direct bearing on any of this but I took my mother to lunch on Saturday at a Polish restaurant at South Kensington. It was opened in the early 50's and is still owned by a couple of Polish gents who are now in their nineties. Great food, service and excellent vfm but that's for another thread. In 1939 these two guys were taken as children to Siberia by the Soviets after Stalin and Hitler partitioned Poland (the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). After Adolf when back on his word and invaded Russia, the Polish Govt in exile persuaded the British to encourage Stalin to free the 1.5m Poles that were rotting away in Siberia so they could form an army. They became the Polish Army of the East, they then walked to Baghdad, where they joined up with British forces. They then traveled through Israel (where some of them, including Menachem Begin "jumped ship" ), onto Egypt and finally took part in the allied campaign in Italy where they fought at Monte Casino. I think the two friends who went onto establish the restaurant were too young to fight. Many of the Poles who were taken to Siberia took their families with them. The children were evacuated to New Zealand, Uganda and other bits of the Empire. Anyhow like I said this is all a bit irrelevant but when I got home from the smoke I read up a bit on the Polish Army of the East. They weren't keen on the Germans or the Ruskies and they fought heroically, winning many military honours along the way. I found this account of Corporal Ludwik Cytera's story. For me it was quite poignant because he ended up living very close to me here in Bristol. The inscription on one of his service medals reads "Let us reject everything that separates us, let us accept everything that unites us." Which is nice.
Well, I knew my grandfather and his brother who fought in the war and while we should never talk for others I'd be highly surprised if they were very impressed with what's been happening to this country. While I reject freedom of movement as anti the concept of a nation and obviously borders.....I'm not that bothered by Poles as culturally...while they are different.....they aren't that different. However, that still doesn't mean I accept the idea that a Pole has exactly the same rights in my country as a person born and bred here. I will never accept that. Immigration should always be tightly controlled and I'd like the same rules that Japan has recently adopted. Nations need to look after their own first.....and yes that even goes to countries who have British working abroad: Japan has the right idea about this in my view.....In 100 years time there will still be a culture within Japan that can be identified as Japanese....they are very aware of the role that immigration that leads to easy permanent residence has in destroying that. The real problems come with accepting in people from cultures that are not western or European.....But really I make this point already knowing its pointless. My support for Robinson is an expression of my anger against the ideology of those people that knowingly and willingly let this happen. The people that tell me that I'm a bigot for feeling a stranger in my own town. Robinson doesn't really focus much on the EU and is instead mainly centred on Islamic immigration but as a general force for sticking up for an anglo saxon identity.....in an actual anglo saxon land...well I support that. I'm pretty angry......and while I might differ a little from Robinson on some things I back him 100 percent as the only person in this country with the balls to tell the people I can't stand exactly what he thinks about the damage they have done.
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