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Coronavirus and the impact of Lockdown policy
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 Teddy Eagle  04 Nov 23 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have been following the enquiry and I cannot detect any kind of suggestion that the lockdowns could have been avoided. There are suggestions that being indecisive and delaying them probably resulted in them lasting longer and caused harm that could have been avoided. So I am forced to wonder how this observer reached his conclusions. I don’t think they are credible. Yes the excess death rates are still higher. For fairly obvious reasons. Covid is still with us, especially long Covid, but more importantly so is the impact on our health services. Delays to diagnosis and treatment are bound to have a knock on effect. And the knock on effect is putting the NHS under the very pressure lockdown was supposed to alleviate. Great logic.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So here we go. What a surprise. The right are not getting the answers they want from the enquiry so the enquiry will now have to be dismissed as a biased, leftish conspiracy perpetrated by the elite to protect themselves. Do you know how ridiculous that approach looks? It’s almost Trumplike in its ability to only believe what you want to believe. Why should "the right" be so ready to attack a conservative government? It's not anything to do with right or left. It's about the damage that lockdown both caused and is causing.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 9.50pm |
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the knock on effect is putting the NHS under the very pressure lockdown was supposed to alleviate. Great logic. Illogical! It did alleviate it, but it could not eliminate it. It was predicted to get worse before Covid hit so imagine just how bad it would have been if we had not locked down and the virus had been allowed to rip.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Illogical! It did alleviate it, but it could not eliminate it. It was predicted to get worse before Covid hit so imagine just how bad it would have been if we had not locked down and the virus had been allowed to rip. What's the current backlog and how many have suffered or died as a result?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why should "the right" be so ready to attack a conservative government? It's not anything to do with right or left. It's about the damage that lockdown both caused and is causing. What about the damage they protected us from but you neither can see nor talk about, because it didn’t happen! Blaming lockdowns for the current situation is complete nonsense, when no one has any experience of what it would be like for us (and not for others in different situations, like Sweden) had we not locked down. We can theorise until the cows come home but we don’t know. We decided to lockdown. We are where we are. Now we learn any lessons for the next time. It is only certain elements on the right, who were against lockdowns on principle, who are convinced they were a mistake when the truth is they worked. That they also created problems is obvious. So the real question is what you value most and how do you protect it? Then find an answer when you don’t possess much experience or data but are under extreme time pressure.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I don’t have those figures but you can find them as easily as me. The answer is irrelevant though. It is what it is. Whether it would have been better, or worse if another decision had been made is unknown. All we have are theories put forward as fact by know it all’s.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What about the damage they protected us from but you neither can see nor talk about, because it didn’t happen! Blaming lockdowns for the current situation is complete nonsense, when no one has any experience of what it would be like for us (and not for others in different situations, like Sweden) had we not locked down. We can theorise until the cows come home but we don’t know. We decided to lockdown. We are where we are. Now we learn any lessons for the next time. It is only certain elements on the right, who were against lockdowns on principle, who are convinced they were a mistake when the truth is they worked. That they also created problems is obvious. So the real question is what you value most and how do you protect it? Then find an answer when you don’t possess much experience or data but are under extreme time pressure. Anyone who wanted to self isolate could have done so. Indeed, still could if they're that anxious. Why involve the whole country when most of the population were at minimal risk?
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t have those figures but you can find them as easily as me. The answer is irrelevant though. It is what it is. Whether it would have been better, or worse if another decision had been made is unknown. All we have are theories put forward as fact by know it all’s. Probably not irrelevant to those involved. Actually all we have is justification on the grounds that's what's done is done and how dare anyone question the authorities. Our response was remarkably similar to America's so Trump got it all right as well without a National Health Service to protect.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Anyone who wanted to self isolate could have done so. Indeed, still could if they're that anxious. Why involve the whole country when most of the population were at minimal risk? That’s an old argument, dealt with at the time. We weren’t just suggesting people could protect themselves by isolating. We did that earlier for the particularly vulnerable. We were trying to break the chains of infection and you cannot do that with volunteers. Asymmetric infection meant many could spread the disease without suffering any symptoms at all. The purpose was to flatten the waves of infection until the vaccines were available.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s an old argument, dealt with at the time. We weren’t just suggesting people could protect themselves by isolating. We did that earlier for the particularly vulnerable. We were trying to break the chains of infection and you cannot do that with volunteers. Asymmetric infection meant many could spread the disease without suffering any symptoms at all. The purpose was to flatten the waves of infection until the vaccines were available. What was the provision had a vaccine not been developed? Lockdown forever presumably.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Nov 23 11.01pm |
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More on lockdown effectiveness.
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