Russia is already an ethnic mix

“white” in particular means nothing. It’s A pejorative. I think you know that by now.

Fail to deal with Putin now, and that's exactly what you would deliver to Europe. What we have now is extremely nasty, costly and carries risk. Not to have it would though be worse.

That a slimy TV presenter is popular doesn't make him right, or that those who watch agree with him. Knowing how the "other side" think is important. Carlson would sell his grannie if it improved his ratings. His sincerity level is on a par with Trump. Zero.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Carlson is just another multi millionaire who paints himself as an ordinary guy and seeks to appeal to a specific crowd. There are equivalents on the left too, but it doesn't change that fact that they play a role. They're essentially actors. It's naive to think they ever fully believe what they're espousing.

The main problem with his narrative (that this war and help for Ukraine is democrat revenge for the last election and Russiagate!) is that clearly it was Russia who decided to go to war against Ukraine, so this wouldn't have even been happening outside of their actions. Moreover, as per usual Americans always forget that there is a 'rest of the world' and that just about the whole of the Western world and Europe are in lockstep due to the Russian threat, not due to anything dizzy Joe Biden has ordered us to adhere to. I'm sure the alt media angle will be that 'behind the scenes' America's democrats are pulling the strings and we're solely getting dragged along and are naive not to see this, but we enter conspiracy theory territory then and there is sound moral and strategic logic to militarily supporting Ukraine anyway.

The illogic would be in rolling over (not helping Ukraine defend themselves against this brutality due to subservience to Russian threats), making this easy for them; ensuring a horrendous fate for Ukrainian citizens. Assuming that emboldening Russia would somehow irrationally draw a line under this rather than emboldening Putin to press on is a mistake. It's quite astounding that we have our own rolling over for Russia and thumbing the eye of the West due to what they have allowed themselves to be influenced by.

Edited by BlueJay (03 May 2022 9.55am)

That's a fair point.

I do have 'some' time for the idea that Putin may be seriously ill and this could be his last push at a legacy. In that scenario logically he would push on and try to gain some Ukranian ground to paint this as a success at home, only for a new President to strike a more conciliatory tone in order to hold on to said territory, while getting sanctions lifted. Who knows though, I appreciate that is complete conjecture.

Coming from an ex marketing manager of 35 years I'll take that opinion with a smile.

You know what Tucker Carlson wasn't doing? Lying about Hunter Biden's laptop in the weeks before the election. You talk about slimy. The whole Democrat supporting media are nothing but liars.

As for 'Putin' is a threat to Europe.....Well a nuclear threat. Putin has been talking about the Ukraine since 2014 but apparently you think he wants to boogie in Paris....eat pasties in Cornwall.

With people like you saying that we have to 'deal with Putin'....just how do you think that would go.

Escalation merchant.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2022 10.22am)

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