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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Sep 19 3.05pm | |
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This stinks of conspiracy theory, produced in a back bedroom by someone with an axe to grind. I suspect Lord James was warned merely because he was making a fool of himself. I scanned the piece referenced. Do you seriously expect people to believe that the "UK Column" is serious journalism? I searched the Royal United Services institute for details of this alleged conference and could find no mention of it. It's true that there are changes going on with the command structure of British Forces in response to the changing world with the JFC becoming the "Strategic Command" but there is no EU involvement either now or envisaged. We would never agree to such an idea, and as the decision is ours alone to make, the suggestions are a total nonsense. Can you seriously imagine our Parliament accepting such proposals? We are a sovereign state within Europe and make these decisions ourselves. Greater co-operation, sharing of resources and supply chains, training and acting together are all probable, but always under our ultimate control.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 19 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This stinks of conspiracy theory, produced in a back bedroom by someone with an axe to grind. I suspect Lord James was warned merely because he was making a fool of himself. I scanned the piece referenced. Do you seriously expect people to believe that the "UK Column" is serious journalism? I searched the Royal United Services institute for details of this alleged conference and could find no mention of it. It's true that there are changes going on with the command structure of British Forces in response to the changing world with the JFC becoming the "Strategic Command" but there is no EU involvement either now or envisaged. We would never agree to such an idea, and as the decision is ours alone to make, the suggestions are a total nonsense. Can you seriously imagine our Parliament accepting such proposals? We are a sovereign state within Europe and make these decisions ourselves. Greater co-operation, sharing of resources and supply chains, training and acting together are all probable, but always under our ultimate control. I'm unable to go into detail other than what is already in the public domain. However, I was in a branch of the forces in the early nineties and was attached to what was then the European Rapid Reaction Force, where a certain amount of our regiments were earmarked for that. So plans were already afoot in the nineties. I will say, I don't see any possible effective European force without British involvement. There may have been years of cutbacks but it would be difficult to be as poor as most of the other European Armies. As shown in pretty much every European conflict there has ever been.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Sep 19 3.17pm | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
They nearly all promised to honour the result of the referendum though......so they may not be delegates BUT they nearly all LIED.....never mind wisbech your man Corbyn will put everything right... As I have repeatedly said here I am no fan of Corbyn and have no wish at all to see him in Downing St. Sure they made promises which they have all tried to honour but MPs have an overriding duty to the people they serve which is to always act in what they consider to be their best interests. If that means revisiting 3 year old decisions and revising them in the light of events and experience then they must do so. Has there never been an occasion in your life when you have changed your mind and decided not to go through with something? Like promising to buy a car, house or piece of furniture only to find out after a while, that it is no longer a sensible thing to do because circumstances have changed? Just imagine that you promised, 3 years ago, to take your wife to Bermuda next week. Might you decide it was in your joint interests to break that promise?
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Sep 19 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Entirely against the Dublin agreement. France openly encourages people to go to Britain by purposely not registering them to allow them to move on. Manipulates their own disgraceful figures. Not just the French. Unfortunately to remove a person back to a third country, you need absolute proof they have been in that country (and I mean absolute). Seeing them get off a flight from France/Spain is not enough. Only if they have been fingerprinted (for an asylum claim) in a 3rd country would we remove.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Sep 19 3.21pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
But yet my post was in connection with leaving the EU and the control of economic migrants from Latvia etc. Membership or otherwise will have zero impact on no EU boat people who may in any event claim asylum. Correct
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 19 3.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Not just the French. Unfortunately to remove a person back to a third country, you need absolute proof they have been in that country (and I mean absolute). Seeing them get off a flight from France/Spain is not enough. Only if they have been fingerprinted (for an asylum claim) in a 3rd country would we remove. You're entirely correct. Have only just come back from Italy and before that Slovakia. Believe me, central and Eastern European countries are basically bussing them on - off to Northern and Western Europe and Britain, here's your free pass. Just put your passport in the bin here and say you're Syrian. NGO's openly coach on how to get away with it.
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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Sep 19 4.22pm | |
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As I predicted Corbyn has said the next Labour party manifesto "will promise to reach a better Brexit deal, but is not expected to commit to either Leave or Remain." If I was a Remainer I am not sure I would be voting Labour with that ringing endorsement. Maybe they should call it the okey cokey manifesto.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 19 4.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I predicted Corbyn has said the next Labour party manifesto "will promise to reach a better Brexit deal, but is not expected to commit to either Leave or Remain." If I was a Remainer I am not sure I would be voting Labour with that ringing endorsement. Maybe they should call it the okey cokey manifesto. I guess it's not long before either Sadiq Khan or Abbot become Labour Leader anyway. They can be the British Obama. Corbyn seems to alienate everyone and is ruining what is left of the Labour Party after Tory Blair left them in tatters.
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Sep 19 4.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I predicted Corbyn has said the next Labour party manifesto "will promise to reach a better Brexit deal, but is not expected to commit to either Leave or Remain." If I was a Remainer I am not sure I would be voting Labour with that ringing endorsement. Maybe they should call it the okey cokey manifesto. There will be the option of leave or remain by a further vote, I don't find that unreasonable. Not for me as I can see that any option apart from cancelling will drag brexit weary Britain into years more of it. We can cancel and put the whole thing to bed.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 19 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There will be the option of leave or remain by a further vote, I don't find that unreasonable. Not for me as I can see that any option apart from cancelling will drag brexit weary Britain into years more of it. We can cancel and put the whole thing to bed. That will hand the power to a single issue Brexit party. Over 50 percent wanted out - let's say some changed their minds - that would still leave enough people to get, at the very least, a coalition government of Boris and Farage with no options left for Corbyn. So out in a year or two or out now - both with no deal. I think Europeans have worked this out but British MPs just don't want to see it. They are seeing their EU pensions disappear before their very eyes.
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jeeagles 10 Sep 19 5.42pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I'm unable to go into detail other than what is already in the public domain. However, I was in a branch of the forces in the early nineties and was attached to what was then the European Rapid Reaction Force, where a certain amount of our regiments were earmarked for that. So plans were already afoot in the nineties. I will say, I don't see any possible effective European force without British involvement. There may have been years of cutbacks but it would be difficult to be as poor as most of the other European Armies. As shown in pretty much every European conflict there has ever been. The EU army is something that's regularly been promoted but is something that the UK (and other nations) would always veto. I can't see armed forces commanders across Europe wanting it as the chain of command will be far too slow. I can't see most European leaders wanting it because they will never agree funding, and if it ever happens, I can't see the American's putting up the shortfall in EU nations NATO contributions any longer. The whole thing is a stupid non-starter.... but then again, this is the EU we are talking about.
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jeeagles 10 Sep 19 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There will be the option of leave or remain by a further vote, I don't find that unreasonable. Not for me as I can see that any option apart from cancelling will drag brexit weary Britain into years more of it. We can cancel and put the whole thing to bed. Are there any neutrals left with a view on what Corbyn has just said. He wants an election but wont vote for one, he won't commit to what he wants but rejects the options to leave on WTO terms, rejects May's deal, and refused to do a deal with her, and might have another referendum?
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