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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.16pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction Missed this! If my memory serves me correctly he was doing his job and seeking to put a positive gloss on the way the report was presented. That's what spin doctors do. I don't like them very much but the fact remains that he wasn't making policy, he was presenting it in the best possible light. And yes I do think the Iraq war was legal and that the attacks on Blair totally unjustified. I think Blair's primary role was to try to moderate Bush's responses whilst providing support. We won't really know until all the records are unsealed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Missed this!

If my memory serves me correctly he was doing his job and seeking to put a positive gloss on the way the report was presented. That's what spin doctors do. I don't like them very much but the fact remains that he wasn't making policy, he was presenting it in the best possible light.

And yes I do think the Iraq war was legal and that the attacks on Blair totally unjustified. I think Blair's primary role was to try to moderate Bush's responses whilst providing support. We won't really know until all the records are unsealed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 1.19pm
Originally posted by Mapletree It may have been a good idea to read your link before posting it. Clearly it is based on an alliance, and indeed states the deployment of troops into harm’s way “remains the ultimate sovereign decision of a national government” And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states: The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons. It also says this is a complement to NATO. Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment. Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add. I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said. The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Sep 19 1.19pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

It may have been a good idea to read your link before posting it. Clearly it is based on an alliance, and indeed states the deployment of troops into harm’s way “remains the ultimate sovereign decision of a national government”

And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states:

The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons.

It also says this is a complement to NATO.

Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment.

Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add.

I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said.

The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment. Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add. I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said. The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm) OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.
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Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment.

Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add.

I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said.

The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm)

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 1.36pm
Originally posted by Mapletree OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection. YOU have worked with the MoD!!!! Anything good on Al Jazeera tonight is there? Fecking hell. We don't only 'rely' on the US....But you know what we also don't do....We don't frigging put our names to stupid comments by Macron and Merkel. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Sep 19 1.36pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

YOU have worked with the MoD!!!!

Anything good on Al Jazeera tonight is there? Fecking hell.

We don't only 'rely' on the US....But you know what we also don't do....We don't frigging put our names to stupid comments by Macron and Merkel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.38pm)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.52pm
[Link] Wisbech banging on about Brexit damaging the economy '20,30,40' years down the line? Personally most people won't know what they are having for their next Sunday lunch, but would rather trust this guys forecast than his Pro USA & Israel
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Wisbech banging on about Brexit damaging the economy '20,30,40' years down the line? Personally most people won't know what they are having for their next Sunday lunch, but would rather trust this guys forecast than his

Pro USA & Israel

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.53pm
Originally posted by Mapletree OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection. Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow?

Pro USA & Israel

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cryrst The garden of England 09 Sep 19 1.57pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow? Its like a harp obviously
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cryrst

The garden of England 09 Sep 19 1.57pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow?

Its like a harp obviously

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 1.58pm
Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure. No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was. Interesting from Farage – suggesting Mays deal could be back on the table while getting round the backstop by 'hiving' off norn iron. Can't wait to see his rabid little power hungry toad face groking back into the picture very soon. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 1.58pm

Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure.

No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was.

Interesting from Farage – suggesting Mays deal could be back on the table while getting round the backstop by 'hiving' off norn iron. Can't wait to see his rabid little power hungry toad face groking back into the picture very soon.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 1.59pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure. No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was. Interesting from Farage – suggesting Mays deal could be back on the table while getting round the backstop by 'hiving' off norn iron. Can't wait to see his rabid little power hungry toad face groking back into the picture very soon. This is some leaping off the fence. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Sep 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure.

No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was.

This is some leaping off the fence.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 2.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This is some leaping off the fence. Got bored. For balance, The remainers pin up boy is hardly fairing much better. Reality check for both sides. i.e. there is no obvious solution, unless you're a partisan hack. I'm still keeping my powder dry though. Johnson doing what he does best is simply flavour of the month. And I've always despised him. Priti Patel is also a complete moron, who should not be anywhere near the front bench based on her shady history. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 2.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is some leaping off the fence.

Got bored. For balance, The remainers pin up boy is hardly fairing much better. Reality check for both sides. i.e. there is no obvious solution, unless you're a partisan hack.

I'm still keeping my powder dry though. Johnson doing what he does best is simply flavour of the month. And I've always despised him. Priti Patel is also a complete moron, who should not be anywhere near the front bench based on her shady history.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 2.12pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Got bored. For balance, The remainers pin up boy is hardly fairing much better. Reality check for both sides. i.e. there is no obvious solution, unless you're a partisan hack. I'm still keeping my powder dry though. Johnson doing what he does best is simply flavour of the month. And I've always despised him. Priti Patel is also a complete moron, who should not be anywhere near the front bench based on her shady history. Fair enough.....You don't like the only two I do....You and your anti jingoism. You want centralism with a leftist tinge perhaps?.....Something tells me that centrism of either sort are gone. When you look at both main parties they are beginning to better represent their bases which are pretty polarised. Tis the Internet. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Sep 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Got bored. For balance, The remainers pin up boy is hardly fairing much better. Reality check for both sides. i.e. there is no obvious solution, unless you're a partisan hack.

Fair enough.....You don't like the only two I do....You and your anti jingoism.

You want centralism with a leftist tinge perhaps?.....Something tells me that centrism of either sort are gone. When you look at both main parties they are beginning to better represent their bases which are pretty polarised.

Tis the Internet.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 2.14pm
Originally posted by cryrst Its like a harp obviously 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Sep 19 2.14pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Its like a harp obviously

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