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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Nov 23 8.55pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems the messaging did get through, but wasn’t popular with the politicians who could see it causing them damage. That caused delays and confusion.

The science came to the fore but not as quickly, or as clearly, as it should.

That’s my take on what I have heard so far, but whether that will be the report’s conclusion remains to be seen.

OK but the question remains are we supposed to follow the science or those elected to make decisions if they are saying different things?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 23 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

OK but the question remains are we supposed to follow the science or those elected to make decisions if they are saying different things?

That depends. If a law is passed then we must follow it. Politicians sometimes need to take decisions based upon more than one set of considerations. Science only looks at whatever discipline is involved. Politicians are elected to try to balance them all.

On specifics, and without the law overriding things, I would always follow the science.

For instance if medical science is saying we need to isolate to minimise risk but behavioural science is saying that our society is unable to comply and economists are saying the economic damage is too high, then the politicians must decide. I would though still isolate based on the science, unless unlawful to do so.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Nov 23 10.13pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That depends. If a law is passed then we must follow it. Politicians sometimes need to take decisions based upon more than one set of considerations. Science only looks at whatever discipline is involved. Politicians are elected to try to balance them all.

On specifics, and without the law overriding things, I would always follow the science.

For instance if medical science is saying we need to isolate to minimise risk but behavioural science is saying that our society is unable to comply and economists are saying the economic damage is too high, then the politicians must decide. I would though still isolate based on the science, unless unlawful to do so.

Right. The decisions made at Downing Street were the result of careful judgement after considering all the salient factors. Not panicked reactions from people who didn't understand what they were being told. Or as instructed by Dominic Cummings.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 23 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Right. The decisions made at Downing Street were the result of careful judgement after considering all the salient factors. Not panicked reactions from people who didn't understand what they were being told. Or as instructed by Dominic Cummings.

Not by Boris Johnson! If only half the things being said are true then my impression of him has been totally confirmed.

Not all politicians are like Johnson though. Some actually try to serve the people and not just themselves.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Nov 23 11.17pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not by Boris Johnson! If only half the things being said are true then my impression of him has been totally confirmed.

Not all politicians are like Johnson though. Some actually try to serve the people and not just themselves.

That's good to know. Next time the country gets closed down for 18 months it'll be for the right reasons.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 10.43am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That's good to know. Next time the country gets closed down for 18 months it'll be for the right reasons.

Hopefully it is always for the right reasons. The Covid lockdowns certainly were. It seems they were just late and delivered in a state of confusion.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Nov 23 11.07am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Hopefully it is always for the right reasons. The Covid lockdowns certainly were. It seems they were just late and delivered in a state of confusion.

We won't know that until the full extent of the economic, medical, educational and societal harm is known.
The excess death rate is still higher than it was in 2019.

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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Nov 23 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

This all sounds quite familiar.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Nov 23 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This all sounds quite familiar.

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I'm shocked err actually I'm not. The Establishment looking after themselves, surely not. Throw Boris and Cummings to the wolves and let's forget all about those pesky experts and civil servants who did a crap job.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 7.50pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

We won't know that until the full extent of the economic, medical, educational and societal harm is known.
The excess death rate is still higher than it was in 2019.

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I have been following the enquiry and I cannot detect any kind of suggestion that the lockdowns could have been avoided. There are suggestions that being indecisive and delaying them probably resulted in them lasting longer and caused harm that could have been avoided.

So I am forced to wonder how this observer reached his conclusions. I don’t think they are credible.

Yes the excess death rates are still higher. For fairly obvious reasons. Covid is still with us, especially long Covid, but more importantly so is the impact on our health services. Delays to diagnosis and treatment are bound to have a knock on effect.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 23 7.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This all sounds quite familiar.

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So here we go. What a surprise. The right are not getting the answers they want from the enquiry so the enquiry will now have to be dismissed as a biased, leftish conspiracy perpetrated by the elite to protect themselves.

Do you know how ridiculous that approach looks? It’s almost Trumplike in its ability to only believe what you want to believe.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Nov 23 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So here we go. What a surprise. The right are not getting the answers they want from the enquiry so the enquiry will now have to be dismissed as a biased, leftish conspiracy perpetrated by the elite to protect themselves.

Do you know how ridiculous that approach looks? It’s almost Trumplike in its ability to only believe what you want to believe.

Not as ridiculous as kowtowing to our lords and masters and never doubting their integrity. You've already said that Boris was a liability so why support what his government did? Follow the science except when you don't agree with it? Yeah, right.

 

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