Unfortunately there’s many who’ve said they feel Russia had to, or were right to etc etc. plus the we do nothing whatsoever stance. That isn’t pro peace. That’s more pro-me and fvck them. They really are out there. Some may have included the economic hits. Sometimes some things become bigger than economics alone. If we were that European country and the rest of Europe fvcked us off I wonder how their opinion would change. They also include Zellensky’s a tranny and they’re corrupt etc. just which country isn’t now? Us? Yeah right. Oh and the neo nazi excuses.

A quick war as you suggest is another term for quick surrender and easy walkover. Let’s hope there’s some negotiations soon and everyone saves face. I expect there will have to be written agreements seeing as neither sides can trust each other and maybe for good reason.

COYP

Actually I have only ever objected to the way that you yourself talk about your own family. A rather important distinction. And you're the one constantly bringing that up (just as you've done here).

The only reason I aimed that term at you is that you frequently pull the 'i'll say what I like to you and you can stick it' card with crap conduct that would never occur face to face, and yet when the favour is returned you endlessly whine about it as it's it's entirely terrible and unforgivable. You did act like a pr!ck, so you'll be told that you are one. If people act with decency that's unlikely to happen. Have you considered the number of people you seem to butt heads with might say something about you other than that you're some kind of 'free thinker'?

I'm not sure what the point of this side track is. I was making on topic point about Ukraine and had already basically said I have little more to add because it's pointless. You were clearly angry at others so you look for a continuation here. No thanks. Sure I sometimes take the bait, not a great trait. Where you are right is that it's a waste of time to pick you up on anything because your desire to be taken seriously and to attempt to demean imagined 'political opposites', trumps your ability to listen. But again, I somewhat blame the Internet for that. Plus, it's hard in this format to avoid people because you'd have to mentally blot out much of what is posted. I notice you have the same issue with Wisbech Eagle. In all realistic terms I'm more than happy to join the queue of those making for the exits in terms of giving you time of day and it seems you're in agreement. That is certainly the most appropriate reply, yes.

Edited by BlueJay (02 May 2022 9.45pm)

Not that I think I this is fine in any way because I said this would be a consequence of lockdowns and all that, but unfortunately this kind of fall out is inevitable with war. Churchill had to make such calls and now some use it to brand him a racist. Russia still had to experience a resistance I’m afraid, even with the consequences spreading to others. Taking over neighbours at will is unacceptable, and it’s worth noting again it isn’t just the parts of Ukraine with Russian identity either.

COYP

I've been out all day enjoying lovely weather in west Cornwall, walking in woods full of bluebells and wild garlic.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine people are seeing their country torn apart, are separated from their loved ones and unsure if they will ever see a bluebell again. All because of an evil despot leading an equally evil regime.

I then read the bickering on here, caused by some who want to blame the west for, in their opinion, creating circumstances which allowed this to happen.

There is a right time for introspection, reflection and lesson learning. That time is when this is all over and the whole can be seen in its context. Now is the time for unity of purpose and not criticism of our, or any western government. Such criticism can give comfort to the enemy, as it will be picked up by them and presented as a confirmation of their stance to their own people.

As it is totally pointless, because it isn't going to change the past, or the way we now respond, why do it? Causing heat without creating any light is a complete waste of energy. We all need to conserve energy.

To further muddy the water by suggesting that to call for restraint is just the action of an "authoritarian left" just makes things worse.

This isn't a left v right disagreement. This is all of us v Putin argument. It's a good v evil battle in its purest sense. One than common sense says there is only one side that decent people can stand on.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

It isn’t the first time in a war. From the other side though, if anybody anywhere, and not necessarily here, brings up war addressing overpopulation, it could cause more mass migration. I doubt it, but it is possible. It’s thought provoking that Putin no doubt wishes Russia to remain Russian and not an ethnic mix that Europe is becoming, while millions of Ukrainians, many with Russian ancestry, flee west.

COYP

Agreed.

I suppose I just don't think this war is the hill I'm willing to die on...An attack on Nato, fair enough.....I don't think this is worth a cold war with all the consequences that will come from that....I don't think we have the same strong position from the last one.

Ukrainians aren't in Nato, but they are Europeans so I have no issue accepting them.....not that what the country thinks of immigration ever mattered to our politicians anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 May 2022 10.12pm)

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