The 5 stages of grief and loss are: 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.

I am not joking when I say that people in the Labour party are going through this and are currently stuck between denial and bargaining.

The number of politicians and Labour supporters I have heard since the result who just can't accept they got it wrong.

Comments like "this was a Brexit election apart from that we would have won. Blame the MSM for their anti Corbyn bias (in 2017 those people were crowing that social media was king and the MSM was irrelevant to modern politics), our policies are popular it was our message etc."

The big gripe about Boris making it a Brexit election completely misses the point. At every election parties will focus on their strength and try to make the election about that, no doubt the Green party told people the single biggest issue is the environment and not Brexit. So if it was a Brexit election then the Labour party failed to convince the voters that the election should be about the issues they cared about.

Corbyn appears to be carrying on as if nothing serious has happened and he is showing his true colours by saying Labour are the party of resistance just like the idiots who scuffled with the police the day after the vote denying Boris was PM the "not in my name brigade".

Labour seriously need to move to the end stage acceptance but I don't think that will be possible for Corbyn supporters.

My New Year's wish is for Labour to come to it's senses and have a good think about what type of party they want to be. Are they a serious opposition with serious alternate policies and a credible leader or do they prefer to be the party of protest which only gets you so far.

The election was much simpler than many make out. We, as a nation, believe in democracy. The move to try and stall Brexit was anti-democratic and the people decided the only way to save the situation was to vote in large numbers for the one party that has promised to implement the result of the referendum. So for me it was more about democracy than Brexit. I don’t really give a damn about whether Brexit is right or wrong, quite simply put, more people thought it was right so they should prevail.

You are quite right. We do as a nation believe in democracy.

For many of us that democracy is vested solely in Parliament and we reject the whole idea of referendums playing any kind of role in complex decisions.

For us Parliament made a mistake in agreeing to hold a referendum which was intended to quieten the Eurosceptics for ever, which then went horribly wrong.

Having made that mistake they then failed to correct it.

I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment. I want a country which is ruled by the calm heads of our elected representatives, acting together in our best interests, and beyond the reach of newspaper and social media influences.

So Brexit is a failure of our democracy and not a triumph of it. It marks a very dangerous turn in how we govern ourselves which will, in my opinion, be seen to have been a very big mistake in the fullness of time.

I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment.

You are quite right. We do as a nation believe in democracy.

For many of us that democracy is vested solely in Parliament and we reject the whole idea of referendums playing any kind of role in complex decisions.

For us Parliament made a mistake in agreeing to hold a referendum which was intended to quieten the Eurosceptics for ever, which then went horribly wrong.

Having made that mistake they then failed to correct it.

I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment. I want a country which is ruled by the calm heads of our elected representatives, acting together in our best interests, and beyond the reach of newspaper and social media influences.

So Brexit is a failure of our democracy and not a triumph of it. It marks a very dangerous turn in how we govern ourselves which will, in my opinion, be seen to have been a very big mistake in the fullness of time.

You are quite right. We do as a nation believe in democracy.

For many of us that democracy is vested solely in Parliament and we reject the whole idea of referendums playing any kind of role in complex decisions.

For us Parliament made a mistake in agreeing to hold a referendum which was intended to quieten the Eurosceptics for ever, which then went horribly wrong.

Having made that mistake they then failed to correct it.

I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment. I want a country which is ruled by the calm heads of our elected representatives, acting together in our best interests, and beyond the reach of newspaper and social media influences.

So Brexit is a failure of our democracy and not a triumph of it. It marks a very dangerous turn in how we govern ourselves which will, in my opinion, be seen to have been a very big mistake in the fullness of time.
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It might be a failure of your democracy but certainly not mine and so it appears the majority of the Country.

I’m sorry but I also don’t get your trust in our politicians to do the right thing. They don’t have infinite wisdom, in fact some would and do fail miserably outside their political lives so why should they have more say than the people they represent? By what you are saying, if an entire constituency wanted black doors but their politician wanted white doors, then white doors would prevail. That cannot be right.

As for calm heads, can you honestly say that the way politicians go about their business is in any way calm? I have never seen anything so disgraceful as the antics of them in the Commons. If that was the boardroom of a top 100 company, the chairman would throw the lot of them out. There is no rational debate, just party posturing. They act like spoilt children.

Our political system is pretty much broken which has been highlighted by recent events and as for trusting our politicians I wouldn’t let one walk my dog let alone rule the country, but unfortunately that is our system and for the time being we are stuck with it.

I think we should have a referendum on changing our political system.