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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 9.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
So John Terry considered Anton Ferdinand to be a c***, but as he was black he called him a black c***. What sort of unsophisticated bubble do you live in? Sorry if I'm coming across rude but I won't have my opinion undermined by a throwaway comment like 'succumbing to the insanity'.
If you think that any of this is worth getting worked up about then you have succumbed to the insanity of curtailing opinion and sometimes fact to avoid offending.
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 03 Jul 20 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you think that any of this is worth getting worked up about then you have succumbed to the insanity of curtailing opinion and sometimes fact to avoid offending. So (assuming you are white) calling a white person a b****** is OK but if they are black a black b****** rather than just a b****** is OK. You obviously have never been in a normal workplace or situation. I would rather not get into a mouth frothing silly argument with someone I disagree with on this forum. I would just say you are as opinionated, unable to hear the other side, and as judgemental as your chosen foes. And I hate all this BLM s*** as well!
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
George Floyd was killed by a incompetent policemen for trying to us a fake bill. David Starkey resigned from his position as a unpaid honorary fellow, where you have to do no work, for saying: "Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived." Not sure the consequences are the same either. That’s extremely provocative statement and will take quite a long and contrived explanation along with a leap of faith to claim its non-offensive. In my view, most things that need a long explanation to justify their point of view are generally bulls***. Its pretty obviously offensive, and I don’t think one of the best university in the world should be represented by someone prone to saying something so stupid. On an change of topic. Oxford and Cambridge are full of rich kids sniffing drugs up their noises. A lot of people from poorer background sell those posh kids the drugs. Whilst I think it’s too late for most drug dealers and I couldn’t care less what happens to them, if you take away the demand, you take away the supply. If there’s no supply, maybe less young black kids will be enticed into crime, stabbed/arrested/hassled by the police. If BLM stopped all this s*** about taking a knee, saying people’s names, and defunding the police, but instead said, we want rich white people to stop taking coke and tougher penalties for those found in possession of drugs for recreational use, then I might respect them. Both of our statement about Floyd are correct. Whether Starkey was technically right or wrong or offensive to someone should not cause him to lose his job or the ability to get one in future. He might be a tosser but that is another matter.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jul 2020 9.29pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 9.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
So (assuming you are white) calling a white person a b****** is OK but if they are black a black b****** rather than just a b****** is OK. You obviously have never been in a normal workplace or situation. I would rather not get into a mouth frothing silly argument with someone I disagree with on this forum. I would just say you are as opinionated, unable to hear the other side, and as judgemental as your chosen foes. And I hate all this BLM s*** as well! I am not saying that at all, as should be apparent from what I actually wrote. I'm also not trying to argue about what the convention is either.
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 03 Jul 20 9.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I am not saying that at all, as should be apparent from what I actually wrote. I'm also not trying to argue about what the convention is either. You did. Insults are insults but we are now supposed to believe that an insult that includes a racial/cultural/religious description is somehow magnitudes worse than one without.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Jul 20 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
You did. Insults are insults but we are now supposed to believe that an insult that includes a racial/cultural/religious description is somehow magnitudes worse than one without. They are. The police investigated at Chelsea when a player (Stirling?) was called a Black c*** but concluded it was all OK since he was actually called a Manc c***. It’s not that long ago that c*** would have been the worst part of that sentence.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
You did. Insults are insults but we are now supposed to believe that an insult that includes a racial/cultural/religious description is somehow magnitudes worse than one without. That is not what you said. It is there in print. Racial etc descriptions added to insults also include White , Honkey or any other name you care to mention describing a European. Is that reasonable? This is rather a sidetrack argument.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 20 10.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I thought Universities promote professors with racist views? Or is that if they are only the right views. I don't agree with what Starkey says but he should have been allowed to clarify his views to his bosses before they pulled the trapdoor. I agree with this and all you’ve said after. Can’t be &rsed to explain personally. Saying ‘damn blacks’ is pretty damning. Oops. On the nights of the riots he said on Newsnight that ‘white chavs had turned black’, which is really the urban street part of young black Britain so he dodges this if he doesn’t mean that black people are trouble. But he then said David Lammy sounds white, which is inferring something along the lines of black people aren’t well spoken or he’s surprised if one is or something. If he can’t find suitable words or fair opinions then should he be speaking in public as a Cambridge lecturer? Same for that Gopal tw@t.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I agree with this and all you’ve said after. Can’t be &rsed to explain personally. Saying ‘damn blacks’ is pretty damning. Oops. On the nights of the riots he said on Newsnight that ‘white chavs had turned black’, which is really the urban street part of young black Britain so he dodges this if he doesn’t mean that black people are trouble. But he then said David Lammy sounds white, which is inferring something along the lines of black people aren’t well spoken or he’s surprised if one is or something. If he can’t find suitable words or fair opinions then should he be speaking in public as a Cambridge lecturer? Same for that Gopal tw@t. Does that mean that he doesn't approve of Black people or is it a clumsy way of expressing his contempt for the opinion he was contradicting? Only he knows. Irrespective of that. There is one rule for Whites and another for everyone else when it comes to language. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jul 2020 10.44pm)
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jeeagles 03 Jul 20 10.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Both of our statement about Floyd are correct. Whether Starkey was technically right or wrong or offensive to someone should not cause him to lose his job or the ability to get one in future. He might be a tosser but that is another matter. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jul 2020 9.29pm) An Honorary Fellow is not a job. You don't get paid for it. You dont have to do any work for it. You get a fancy title in exchange for the university using your name to publicise itself. This idiot [Link] She would have had a clause in her contract not to bring Deloitte into disrepute and warned against posting such things on day one of her starting. Lots of people would have killed for her job, the company want to sell an exceptional service to their clients. They dont want to be represented by an idiot mouthing off on social media. Admittedly it can be really harsh for sacking people over social media post, but both Starkey and the girl in the links went too far. We've got pretty strict employment laws in this country which make it very difficult to sack people.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jul 20 11.03pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
An Honorary Fellow is not a job. You don't get paid for it. You dont have to do any work for it. You get a fancy title in exchange for the university using your name to publicise itself. This idiot [Link] She would have had a clause in her contract not to bring Deloitte into disrepute and warned against posting such things on day one of her starting. Lots of people would have killed for her job, the company want to sell an exceptional service to their clients. They dont want to be represented by an idiot mouthing off on social media. Admittedly it can be really harsh for sacking people over social media post, but both Starkey and the girl in the links went too far. We've got pretty strict employment laws in this country which make it very difficult to sack people. True enough but you know that it would have been the same result, paid or not. I'm afraid I just can't accept a world where you can have your future ruined and income lost because of stating an opinion, be it through humour or because it is your field of expertise or down the pub. If you call your boss a c*** then that is a little different. The only people who should be held to account for what they say are politicians because 'politics' is their job.
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Stirlingsays 03 Jul 20 11.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Starkey used the language he wanted to use. And more strength to him. Ditto with that bint who said 'white lives don't matter'. Neither should lose their jobs and if I was at University, these are the people whose lectures I would be queuing up to attend. Because they have genuine opinions that trouble and make you question all sorts. That is the point. Stirring the pot. But neither threatened nor encouraged others to violence. Universities should be places that encourage the freest of speech. Should revel in the extremes but instead are now nothing more than exercises in money-making. And are increasingly prey to some sinister forces. My daughter attends a top 10 British university and was telling me about the Chinese Government encouraging its students all attending to vote for certain candidates in the NUS elections. And given that her establishment is a Russel Group one, with all the research grants and project,makes the Chinese pressure even more worrying. Let that be the centre of investigations rather than people expressing opinions and wanting to push debates to the extreme ends. An excellent reply. Starkey's language isn't tuned to the sensitivities of the day, however upon reflection I can't help but agree with you. It's better to have academics that tell you what they really think rather than those that bend in the wind. It's just a reality that the modern left are far less tolerant than either the old left or right who taught in less polarised times.
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