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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You forgot Bowen

It is so nice to see these players having an impact.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 02 Feb 21 2.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

We are seemingly risk adverse, that's why we go for established PL players.

You look at those players listed and there is a considerable degree of risk bringing them in, though at a championship level that risk is significantly reduced. That's why we seemingly don't take punts on lower league players.

Now if you look at those players after they were brought into the PL from the Championship, it's been very hit and miss.

Watkins - I would say successful so far
Benrahama - jury still out on him - hasn't exactly produced the same.
Maupay - For the money (£20m +) - could well fall into a miss
Mepham - definitely a miss
Konsa - seems to be hit
Gray - more of a miss really.

We don't have big money to gamble unproven players. Eze had shown that he was less of a risk eventhough he had not played PL football. West Ham have paid what (£25m- £30m) for Benrahama and he could turn out to be more of a flop.

The thing is, are we going to change our strategy this summer and take risks on younger players unproven in the PL. Players like Flynn Downes at Ipswich, Collins at Stoke or Alise at Reading.

If Roy stays on again, then don't expect a change in strategy and we will continue to look at experienced players. Therefore, we will continually be in the same situation, with the same problems.

We were in the mix for 2 of the players you list.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 2.06pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Good post as is your other one on another topic.
I think peoples issues are currently with the Manager and what he gets out of what we have - that is certainly mine anyway.
I am generally happy with SP at the helm of the Club and I also accept that we cannot just go out and buy who we want.
However - even within those constraints we should be doing slightly better in my opinion

Yes most definitely but every club can look at past games and see what went wrong realising it really shouldn't have, obviously fans want to blame someone in these situations and the easy target is always the manager, in our case I feel the situation for our failings go much much deeper, yes Mr Hodgson should do this and do that but it is his decision whether we like it not that he attempts what he feels is correct for every game and taking into consideration the fact that our club is looking up and not down (and has been doing so for as long as he's been with us) informs everyone that we are actually into a new state now and one we haven't had before in this league.

It's just extremely sad that our squad as a whole isn't going to be able to sustain this level without substantial investment and this season along with the end of last tell us everything we need to know about the powers that be.

Roy is not the problem and until as Midlands Eagle nicely puts it the powers that be sort themselves out this club is going to plod along forever the same.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 02 Feb 21 2.09pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Sorry but 2 wins in 12 diabolical style of football no fresh ideas s*** substitutions he's gotta go for me.

I thought it might be instructive to go back to the very first post in this thread

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Of course money is attractive, but (without repeating my earlier post) you can't just flood a club with cash. Even Chelsea can't. You have to break even over an FFP cycle. What we spend is, as a matter of public record, the limit of what we are allowed to, based on the clubs income.

Why do so many people struggle with that?

Promoting young players either from the youth team or from lower league clubs is of course a good idea -hence Eze, Ferguson, Mitchell and the £50m we got for AWB which got us out of debt- but it can't be the whole strategy for us.

Guaita has been a brilliant free transfer, Cahill has been really good when fit, as has Clyne. Ayew as offered great value for money, as has McCarthy. All these are late 20's or in their 30's, and I'd sign them all again in a heartbeat.

We need a combination of youngsters with promise, clever free transfers with a few larger transfer fees, not just copying Brentford.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (02 Feb 2021 11.22am)

You make the air lovely and fresh.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Feb 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

You are all missing my point. Brentford bought those 6 players in for peanuts and sold them for a combined total of £115m. They didn’t keep them so their current form is totally irrelevant. Are people saying that if we had taken them on they wouldn’t have sold for that much? Wow, what we could do with £115m.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You are all missing my point. Brentford bought those 6 players in for peanuts and sold them for a combined total of £115m. They didn’t keep them so their current form is totally irrelevant. Are people saying that if we had taken them on they wouldn’t have sold for that much? Wow, what we could do with £115m.

The added gamble of buying these players would be too huge for a club in this league as has been pointed out to you before.

You are working with hindsight.

..also if a Premier league club suddenly become interested wouldn't the prices go up?

Edited by Tickled pink (02 Feb 2021 2.20pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Feb 21 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You are all missing my point. Brentford bought those 6 players in for peanuts and sold them for a combined total of £115m. They didn’t keep them so their current form is totally irrelevant. Are people saying that if we had taken them on they wouldn’t have sold for that much? Wow, what we could do with £115m.

Some players that Brentford sold for a tidy profit.

Watkins - Bought for £1.8 Mill + 15% Sell-on. Sold for £28 Mill rising to £33 Mill.

Benrahma - Bought for £2.7 Mill. Sold for £20 Mill rising to £25 Mill.

Maupay - Bought for £1.75 Mill. Sold for £18 Mill.

Mepham - Brentford academy. Sold for £12 Mill

Konza - Bought for £2.6 Mill. Sold for £12 Mill

Gray - Bought for £500K. Sold for £6 Mill rising to £9 Mill.

Edited by Willo (02 Feb 2021 2.30pm)

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I thought it might be instructive to go back to the very first post in this thread

We're like the powers that be aren't we, nothing is achieved at all, not one of us is going to say they're wrong and the other is correct lol

Look into the mirror and disagree with yourself.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Feb 21 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The added gamble of buying these players would be too huge for a club in this league as has been pointed out to you before.

You are working with hindsight.

..also if a Premier league club suddenly become interested wouldn't the prices go up?

Edited by Tickled pink (02 Feb 2021 2.20pm)

So you are saying it’s impossible for us to buy cheap and sell high because 1) we are too scared of getting it wrong 2) we will be priced out simply because we are a PL club.

Sorry, I don’t buy into that. We don’t buy low and sell high for the simple reason we haven’t got the talent in our scouting department to find them and because we are too busy holding on by the edge of our teeth to our PL survival. There is no future whatsoever in us having this approach.

How many duds have Brentford bought, because if you are buying them for peanuts you can always sell them on again for peanuts and there is no real loss? Players you buy do not have to always go directly into the first team, but it would appear from Brentford’s purchases that a lot of them do because they get it right. At £5.5m how much is Ivan Toney going to be worth next year, £20m plus?

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Feb 21 4.16pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I, too, am impressed with what Brentford have achieved so far, and good luck to them. They may well make it into the PL this time and it will be interesting to see how they fare if they are successful.

I am also impressed with what Moyes has just said, namely, that his club had recognized that it's about getting the right players in, not shelling out money left right and centre (as they had done in the Pellegrini era) simply to appease people. Spammers weren't able to get any of the strikers they wanted this window to replace Haller, so they didn't buy one. Instead , they've brought in Lingard on a temporary loan and made Benrahma's move permanent (the latter is getting better as he showed against us).

We need to be careful how we spend what little money (relatively speaking) that's in our transfer kitty. It's clear (to me at least) that the days of bringing in old pros with PL experience has come to an end and that the club really do intend to focus on younger players with potential. Eze was the first and is showing what a potential asset he will be to the club, and hopefully, Mateta will prove to be the second. Ferguson may prove to be the third if he's ever fit enough and strong enough after his injuries. Whether Hodgson stays (and I don't rule that out) or a new man comes in, we are unlikely to see a sudden influx of new exciting youngsters from outside the club. The fact that six of our own youngsters are out on loan for the rest of the season points to where our medium to longer term priorities lie. In the meantime, we may see a couple of younger players arrive in the summer and a good number of our existing players offered extensions to their expiring contracts. As I've said before, it will be evolution NOT revolution in my view.

I accept, of course, that I may be totally wrong.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Feb 21 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

I, too, am impressed with what Brentford have achieved so far, and good luck to them. They may well make it into the PL this time and it will be interesting to see how they fare if they are successful.

I am also impressed with what Moyes has just said, namely, that his club had recognized that it's about getting the right players in, not shelling out money left right and centre (as they had done in the Pellegrini era) simply to appease people. Spammers weren't able to get any of the strikers they wanted this window to replace Haller, so they didn't buy one. Instead , they've brought in Lingard on a temporary loan and made Benrahma's move permanent (the latter is getting better as he showed against us).

We need to be careful how we spend what little money (relatively speaking) that's in our transfer kitty. It's clear (to me at least) that the days of bringing in old pros with PL experience has come to an end and that the club really do intend to focus on younger players with potential. Eze was the first and is showing what a potential asset he will be to the club, and hopefully, Mateta will prove to be the second. Ferguson may prove to be the third if he's ever fit enough and strong enough after his injuries. Whether Hodgson stays (and I don't rule that out) or a new man comes in, we are unlikely to see a sudden influx of new exciting youngsters from outside the club. The fact that six of our own youngsters are out on loan for the rest of the season points to where our medium to longer term priorities lie. In the meantime, we may see a couple of younger players arrive in the summer and a good number of our existing players offered extensions to their expiring contracts. As I've said before, it will be evolution NOT revolution in my view.

I accept, of course, that I may be totally wrong.

I hope not, nice post.

 

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