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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
There is an issue here. Fallon is appearing, rightly or wrongly, to be incapable of defending his beliefs. That demonstrates a lack of leadership. Yep totally agree. I respect both the anti and pro choice positions. Always was pro choice without really giving it much thought before my two boys. Once the children started appearing I realised that abolition wasn't something I could ever agree to....Not saying that it would or should have been my choice...though surely I have a say if not the decision..... but anyway just that my personal attitude towards it changed once I had to face the human realities of it.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 17 6.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd agree with your first sentence. Personally the areas where I'd agree with the idea of 'murdering' someone are practically at nil....For example, if we reverse the situation where the two British soldiers were murdered at that IRA funeral...I would have released those guys to go home to their families. So I'd agree that your loyalties shouldn't mean that your ethics are compromised. The behaviour of criminals using the troubles to gain status and influence was definitely a situation that existed on both sides. But I completely and utterly reject any equivalency at all between a British soldier's life and an IRA member's. Not one of our soldier's lives was or is worth their entire membership. The IRA were responsible for around about sixty percent of the death during the conflict....loyalists thirty percent and the British state ten. The loss of any innocent is a crime. The loss of a British soldier a disaster. The loss of an active IRA member....Well, that's goodbye to human rubbish. Are you being sponsored to use the word equivalency?
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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 6.18pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Are you being sponsored to use the word equivalency? I will admit to having developed a sudden fondness.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 May 17 6.32pm | |
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This u turn is embarassing, im seriously worried about our future being led by this lot, must have gone to same school as dianne !
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Bert the Head Epsom 22 May 17 6.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are responsible for most of it. The real hypocrisy is that the right wing press peddle the idea that Corbyn is a terrorist because he openly spoke to the IRA because he knew that they would have to be spoken to if every there was to be a peace deal. It was quite a visionary thing to do when you look back at what happened to bring about peace - a dialogue was opened with IRA and this lead to peace. I don't see this as an act of terrorism. Meanwhile Thatcher was undertaking a real act of terrorism by sending British soldiers to train and arm Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge with the aim of trying put them back into power after the Vietnamese had kicked them out of Cambodia (Kampuchea as it was at the time). Thatcher never apologized for that. She just trusted her friends at the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph to cover it up; which they did. Fortunately other more decent publications and proper journalists didn't.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 May 17 6.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
The real hypocrisy is that the right wing press peddle the idea that Corbyn is a terrorist because he openly spoke to the IRA because he knew that they would have to be spoken to if every there was to be a peace deal. It was quite a visionary thing to do when you look back at what happened to bring about peace - a dialogue was opened with IRA and this lead to peace. I don't see this as an act of terrorism. Meanwhile Thatcher was undertaking a real act of terrorism by sending British soldiers to train and arm Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge with the aim of trying put them back into power after the Vietnamese had kicked them out of Cambodia (Kampuchea as it was at the time). Thatcher never apologized for that. She just trusted her friends at the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph to cover it up; which they did. Fortunately other more decent publications and proper journalists didn't.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 May 17 7.08pm | |
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So jeremy corbyn is rewriting the manifesto ! Andrew neil to Theresa, priceless,,,,,,,,,
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Mstrobez 22 May 17 7.24pm | |
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This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 May 17 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question. Yes, i dont dislike her as a person, but if this is the best we can do its a tad worrying!
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 May 17 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question. BREXIT BREXIT STRONG AND STEADY. Out of her depth. totally out of her depth. A Tory f***ed over by Andrew Neil. easy questions but no answers, no costings. The milk snatcher was a far better politician. Edited by pefwin (22 May 2017 7.30pm)
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Mstrobez 22 May 17 7.29pm | |
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I have my reservations about Corbyn and labour policies as a whole but I couldn't look myself in the mirror voting for her. If voting labour is the only chance of change then so be it. The women is just full of s***
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Mstrobez 22 May 17 7.30pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Yes, i dont dislike her as a person, but if this is the best we can do its a tad worrying! I don't even think she believes she's good enough to be PM. Never thought I'd miss Dave but I took him a lot more seriously than this!
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