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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.06pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest of respect, the Government does not want a 'No Deal' but believes that it MUST be on the table in negotiations.Once it is removed it weakens the Government's hands in trying to get a new deal.There is no incentive for the EU to significantly amend the current deal - they are quite happy to see us continue to stay in month after month ploughing billions into their coffers. At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue. That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs. To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment. Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards. Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.06pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, the Government does not want a 'No Deal' but believes that it MUST be on the table in negotiations.Once it is removed it weakens the Government's hands in trying to get a new deal.There is no incentive for the EU to significantly amend the current deal - they are quite happy to see us continue to stay in month after month ploughing billions into their coffers.

At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue.

That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs.

To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment.

Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards.

Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 11.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs. To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment. Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards. Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight. With the greatest of respect we have polarised views on this issue.A divided nation and perhaps a divided HOL ! At the end of the day the EU are NOT interested in considering any viable alternatives whilst 'No Deal' is off the table. Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 11.18pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 11.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs.

To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment.

Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards.

Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight.

With the greatest of respect we have polarised views on this issue.A divided nation and perhaps a divided HOL !

At the end of the day the EU are NOT interested in considering any viable alternatives whilst 'No Deal' is off the table.

Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 11.18pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.14pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So you think taking all possible options off the table is responsible Unless you have proposed a viable alternative you ought not leave only harmful ones on the table. That's not negotiation. It's stupidity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.14pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So you think taking all possible options off the table is responsible

Unless you have proposed a viable alternative you ought not leave only harmful ones on the table.

That's not negotiation. It's stupidity.

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Invalid user 2019 06 Sep 19 11.20pm
Westminster Voting Intention: CON: 29% (-2) LAB: 24% (=) LDM: 18% (-3) BXP: 17% (+3) GRN: 3% (=) Via @Survation. Changes w/ 29-30 Aug.
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06 Sep 19 11.20pm

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 29% (-2)
LAB: 24% (=)
LDM: 18% (-3)
BXP: 17% (+3)
GRN: 3% (=)

Via @Survation.
Changes w/ 29-30 Aug.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 11.22pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Unless you have proposed a viable alternative you ought not leave only harmful ones on the table. That's not negotiation. It's stupidity. I refer to my previous post. Need to 'Hit the hay'.Goodnight to one and all and have a lovely weekend.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 11.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Unless you have proposed a viable alternative you ought not leave only harmful ones on the table.

That's not negotiation. It's stupidity.

I refer to my previous post.

Need to 'Hit the hay'.Goodnight to one and all and have a lovely weekend.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.23pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap Think you need to teach wisbech! Maybe one day I will elaborate on the various negotiations I have been responsible for. Some though still remain subject to confidentiality agreements. Suffice to say I have held positions of both trust and authority, both in businesses that I owned and as a Director in others. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.23pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Think you need to teach wisbech!

Maybe one day I will elaborate on the various negotiations I have been responsible for. Some though still remain subject to confidentiality agreements.

Suffice to say I have held positions of both trust and authority, both in businesses that I owned and as a Director in others.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.29pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The Referendum Act was voted for and approved by members of all parties. It was subject to the same procedure as any other Act. True, and like any other Act it can be repealed or amended in the light of changed circumstances or second thoughts. The public would be no better informed now than they were then. They continue to be exposed to a tsunami of lies, fearmongering and half truths. Nothing has changed. The idea that Parliament is any less subject to political and financial pressures is very funny. Untrue. We are all better informed now. Me, you and every MP. We cannot escape being better informed unless we have slept for 3 years. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Referendum Act was voted for and approved by members of all parties. It was subject to the same procedure as any other Act.

True, and like any other Act it can be repealed or amended in the light of changed circumstances or second thoughts.

The public would be no better informed now than they were then. They continue to be exposed to a tsunami of lies, fearmongering and half truths. Nothing has changed. The idea that Parliament is any less subject to political and financial pressures is very funny.

Untrue. We are all better informed now. Me, you and every MP. We cannot escape being better informed unless we have slept for 3 years.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.38pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest of respect we have polarised views on this issue.A divided nation and perhaps a divided HOL ! At the end of the day the EU are NOT interested in considering any viable alternatives whilst 'No Deal' is off the table. Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 11.18pm) Exactly what are these "viable alternatives"? Which, let me remind you, need to be approved by Parliament after due scrutiny, and not just kept in a mythical box marked "BS excuses for the gullible". For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 11.38pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect we have polarised views on this issue.A divided nation and perhaps a divided HOL !

At the end of the day the EU are NOT interested in considering any viable alternatives whilst 'No Deal' is off the table.

Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 11.18pm)

Exactly what are these "viable alternatives"?

Which, let me remind you, need to be approved by Parliament after due scrutiny, and not just kept in a mythical box marked "BS excuses for the gullible".

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Sep 19 12.20am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Exactly what are these "viable alternatives"? Which, let me remind you, need to be approved by Parliament after due scrutiny, and not just kept in a mythical box marked "BS excuses for the gullible". As you mentioned 'Parliament' it is appropriate for me to elucidate that they have siezed control of the Commons but have NO viable plan to take the country forward so where are their "Viable alternatives" ? Boris Johnson is the only party leader even trying to honour the result of the referendum by attempting to get Brexit over the line.The rest are trying to frustrate it.The zombie Parliament has become an international embarrassment.They have pulled the rug from under Johnson's feet and it must be put out of it's misery.The long suffering British electorate deserves a good deal better. Definitely bedtime now ! Goodnight one and all and sleep tight ! Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2019 12.21am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Sep 19 12.20am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Exactly what are these "viable alternatives"?

Which, let me remind you, need to be approved by Parliament after due scrutiny, and not just kept in a mythical box marked "BS excuses for the gullible".

As you mentioned 'Parliament' it is appropriate for me to elucidate that they have siezed control of the Commons but have NO viable plan to take the country forward so where are their "Viable alternatives" ?

Boris Johnson is the only party leader even trying to honour the result of the referendum by attempting to get Brexit over the line.The rest are trying to frustrate it.The zombie Parliament has become an international embarrassment.They have pulled the rug from under Johnson's feet and it must be put out of it's misery.The long suffering British electorate deserves a good deal better.

Definitely bedtime now ! Goodnight one and all and sleep tight !

Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2019 12.21am)

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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 1.02am
Originally posted by Willo As you mentioned 'Parliament' it is appropriate for me to elucidate that they have siezed control of the Commons but have NO viable plan to take the country forward so where are their "Viable alternatives" ? Boris Johnson is the only party leader even trying to honour the result of the referendum by attempting to get Brexit over the line.The rest are trying to frustrate it.The zombie Parliament has become an international embarrassment.They have pulled the rug from under Johnson's feet and it must be put out of it's misery.The long suffering British electorate deserves a good deal better. Definitely bedtime now ! Goodnight one and all and sleep tight ! Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2019 12.21am) Excellent points. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Sep 19 1.02am

Originally posted by Willo

Definitely bedtime now ! Goodnight one and all and sleep tight !

Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2019 12.21am)

Excellent points.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 07 Sep 19 4.55am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs. To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment. Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards. Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight. But no deal could be less rubbish than a deal.
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cryrst

The garden of England 07 Sep 19 4.55am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is the much repeated argument made by Johnson and his supporters. It is though complete bs.

To be credible he would have to have presented some kind of viable alternative that whilst unpopular with the EU negotiators might stand a chance of being forced through at the last moment.

Johnson's position is akin to playing bluff when everyone can see your cards.

Of course everyone is fed up with the mess but that doesn't mean that we just give up and accept a rubbish outcome just because it's easy. We fight.

But no deal could be less rubbish than a deal.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Sep 19 7.46am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Unless you have proposed a viable alternative you ought not leave only harmful ones on the table. That's not negotiation. It's stupidity. Plenty of that spread across 90% of the electorate TBF Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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