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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Jun 16 12.16pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I was going to vote leave before I even knew about the prostitutes.

Problem is that these will be British 'Pat Butcheresque' prostitutes, rather than those fancy attractive EU sex slaves.

One only has to travel the red light district of Amsterdam and Hamburg to see that when it comes to drugs and hookers, the Remain camp has it.

All these Leave with their free cocaine and hookers are lies. It'll be cheap speed and handjibbers from Kathy Burke-a-likes, and all at over inflated prices.

You just can't trust the British government to respect the rights of snorters and Brass aficionados.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 12.17pm

Originally posted by Willo

We send BILLIONS to the EU each year.More than the 'Home Office' budget and about 10% of the NHS budget.Yes a "Significant sum" whichever way you look at it.

Ask anyone what they think the percentage of total national expenditure goes to the EU I bet they think it's higher than that.
Still 8.9 billion net (out of 720 billion) is a not insignificant sum. But it's important to challenge people's perceptions.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 16 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

The comments in this thread, although I admit not reading from the start, and especially those in response to my original post, only go to confirm what I said. We ought not be having a referendum on such a vital issue. Such matters cannot be trusted to be handled objectively by people without either all the facts, or the ability to handle them. This is a job for the people we pay to study issues and take decisions for us. We need to learn to trust our politicians, for they are not all "scumbags". Some, like Johnson and Gove, are self serving opportunists, but that is only to be expected.

Some of the comments make me ashamed of my fellow citizens. I have heard such ideas locally here too, from UKIP supporters. I hear echos of Trump ringing in my ears which make me wince.

I own another home abroad and will seriously consider spending the rest of my life there if we vote to leave. Although if the £ plummets I would probably not be able to afford to live there, given my retirement income is in sterling.

I used to run a business in Wisbech. Wisbech has had a lot of immigration from Eastern Europe in the last decade. They work on the farms, and in the food processing factories. Originally mainly from Poland they then came from Latvia, Estonia etc etc. Mostly quite young, highly motivated and intelligent they work hard. Of course they put a huge pressure on local resources, like schools and health care. They contained a number of thugs, single men who caused problems, but there were also lots of families. My business employed 25 people, no immigrants at that time because they all needed a locally obtained qualification, but many immigrants were my customers. Always polite and grateful they were a joy to have around. My wife made good friends with some. Compared to some of the indigenous people they were ideal citizens who enrich the UK and increase our overall prosperity.

We have nothing to fear from immigration. We need it. For sure we must manage it, and keep it balanced so supply does not exceed demand, but closing the door on the EU, won't change our needs.

Those who will vote to leave will no doubt do so. I just hope there are enough people who disagree. I especially hope the younger people, who often don't vote, are sufficiently motivated to do so this time. It is their future which is at stake.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jun 16 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those who will vote to leave will no doubt do so. I just hope there are enough people who disagree. I especially hope the younger people, who often don't vote, are sufficiently motivated to do so this time. It is their future which is at stake.

Indeed, and that's why they should vote LEAVE.

If we vote REMAIN, the EU will see this as a signal to power ahead to even closer union locking us into a 'Straitjacket' with no chance of any escape.And of course immigration will go unchecked.Our young will face up to the prospect of living in a 'State' of over 75 Million in a 'United States of Europe'.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

 

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johnfirewall Flag 22 Jun 16 12.41pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Tate & Lyle pay €3.5m tax to the EU on a single boatload of sugar, which then goes back to their competitors in Europe through subsidies.

If you offset that against farm subsidies then what the fcuk are we paying a membership fee (not £350m a week, just the 75% of that we don't get a rebate on) for?

 

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Rubin Flag 22 Jun 16 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

1. It's not going through as smoothly as is made out.
2. I think the current lot would sign as an 'independent ' nation anyway - if they can

Maybe that's the case, but why would we want to be part of an organisation that personally negotiated TTIP and all the negatives that it contains and would impose it on other countries in the EU, even if we manage to avoid it?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 16 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed, and that's why they should vote LEAVE.

If we vote REMAIN, the EU will see this as a signal to power ahead to even closer union locking us into a 'Straitjacket' with no chance of any escape.And of course immigration will go unchecked.Our young will face up to the prospect of living in a 'State' of over 75 Million in a 'United States of Europe'.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

There will never be a "United States of Europe" that includes the UK. That is just naked "leave" scaremongering. We would surely hold another referendum before there was any chance of that happening and I feel 100% sure it would be rejected out of hand. As is the idea of unchecked immigration. People won't come here if the economy cannot support them. Growth is what we need, and to leave will certainly do the job for you because it would send our economy into a tailspin.

I think you ought to consult a wide selection of young people before making claims which cannot be justified. There is a much larger approval for the EU among the younger generations than the older. They can see their future, and that it is better in Europe than out. They are modern forward thinking people and not old dinosaurs on their way to extinction. This isn't your past but tomorrow is their future. Listen to them and not to your prejudices.

 


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mr. apollo Flag Somewhere in Switzerland 22 Jun 16 1.40pm Send a Private Message to mr. apollo Add mr. apollo as a friend

I mean what have the Romans ever done for us?

 



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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jun 16 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There will never be a "United States of Europe" that includes the UK. That is just naked "leave" scaremongering. We would surely hold another referendum before there was any chance of that happening and I feel 100% sure it would be rejected out of hand. As is the idea of unchecked immigration. People won't come here if the economy cannot support them. Growth is what we need, and to leave will certainly do the job for you because it would send our economy into a tailspin.

I think you ought to consult a wide selection of young people before making claims which cannot be justified. There is a much larger approval for the EU among the younger generations than the older. They can see their future, and that it is better in Europe than out. They are modern forward thinking people and not old dinosaurs on their way to extinction. This isn't your past but tomorrow is their future. Listen to them and not to your prejudices.

Total and utter REMAIN hogwash.Dear Oh dear.
Typifies the risible propoganda and scaremongering which has been at the very heart of the 'Remain' camp.

We are a very successful trading nation, we can be trusted to run our own economy, make our own deals, pass our own laws and control our borders free of EU interference and meddling.

IF 'Remain' wins we will have missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to escape from the disaster unfolding across Europe.Let 24th June 2016 be 'Independence Day'.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 1.50pm)

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 22 Jun 16 1.53pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed, and that's why they should vote LEAVE.

If we vote REMAIN, the EU will see this as a signal to power ahead to even closer union locking us into a 'Straitjacket' with no chance of any escape.And of course immigration will go unchecked.Our young will face up to the prospect of living in a 'State' of over 75 Million in a 'United States of Europe'.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

Wisbech presents an impassioned yet balanced and reasoned plea based on personal experience and logic.

Willo responds with uninformed, xenophobic idiocy that has no factual basis but is based wholly on muddled belief fed from the very right of politics. His views would be laughable but for the fact that there are millions of similar minded numpties who have swallowed all this pish and are prepared to stand in neat lines to condemn this country to second rate status. His response would be laughable if the consequences weren't so sad.


 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 22 Jun 16 1.57pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There will never be a "United States of Europe" that includes the UK. That is just naked "leave" scaremongering. We would surely hold another referendum before there was any chance of that happening and I feel 100% sure it would be rejected out of hand. As is the idea of unchecked immigration. People won't come here if the economy cannot support them. Growth is what we need, and to leave will certainly do the job for you because it would send our economy into a tailspin.

I think you ought to consult a wide selection of young people before making claims which cannot be justified. There is a much larger approval for the EU among the younger generations than the older. They can see their future, and that it is better in Europe than out. They are modern forward thinking people and not old dinosaurs on their way to extinction. This isn't your past but tomorrow is their future. Listen to them and not to your prejudices.

Mate, you are trying to convince a person clearly unable to understand the concepts at play and who is incapable of holding anything but fed dogma. He will simply respond with errant nonsense about great swarms of Turks arriving like locusts to take our jobs and defile our women. You are wasting your breath.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jun 16 1.59pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed, and that's why they should vote LEAVE.

If we vote REMAIN, the EU will see this as a signal to power ahead to even closer union locking us into a 'Straitjacket' with no chance of any escape.And of course immigration will go unchecked.Our young will face up to the prospect of living in a 'State' of over 75 Million in a 'United States of Europe'.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

And just over an hour later you accuse remain of propaganda and scaremongering - you couldn't make it up.

 

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