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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Jul 16 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
A good week by who's standards though? As far as I can see, the overwhelming majority of the voting public in the UK still perceive him to be unelectable and untrustworthy etc this morning despite how good you think his week has gone. Seems to me that if you surround yourself with back slappers chanting your name and bullying/abusing other members of your political party who don't share your optimism for effectiveness or leadership skills you are like the King with no clothes. I totally agree with these sentiments. You mentioned "King" - He is the "King" of the placard and protestors brigade, hell-bent on causing problems for others in the party.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 16 10.59am |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
The US don't have nuclear weapons in the UK.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Jul 16 12.09pm |
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Vote for Corbyn the only anti-austerity candidate. I am not in the labour party actually.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Jul 16 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And right there is the problem. The dogged ideology thing. The PLP are ambitious people who want to be in government. They are not content to shout abuse from the sidelines. Those who joined the party to vote Corbyn and push their ultra left wing agenda are living in cloud cuckoo land. Just because they are pursuing their heart felt ideology doesn't make it realistic or ever likely to be accepted by the majority. They are the kind of people who can only serve as a rent as crowd, criticising everything that the government does but given the chance to govern themselves, would not have a clue about real world problems. Oh dear.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 16 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh dear. Exactly what most people say when they hear the words Labour Party. That and shambolic.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 16 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Vote for Corbyn the only anti-austerity candidate. I am not in the labour party actually. Anti austerity? Are you serious?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 16 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The US don't have nuclear weapons in the UK. Wasn't there something back in the day about them being removed something to do with lots of left wing protest a camp or something (or a bunch of unwashed lesbian hemp sandaled benefit scroungers - dependent on your view). The US does probably and occasionally have nuclear warheads on UK soil, largely for transportation and research purposes, but they're no deliverable payloads. I'd be surprised if AWE didn't exchange a lot of technology, skills and material with the US.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 16 10.15am |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
I think the nuclear deterrent idea is a bit of a fallacy. Anyone crazy enough to use a nuke is going to use it regardless of whether they are going to get nuked in return. Unfortunately, Putin is exactly that crazy. Trump will be too, if he gets in. I think everyone knows that nuclear weapons are a Bad Thing. In a perfect, logical world we'd dismantle the bloody things quick as we could. But we aren't. I respect Corbyn's views on nuclear disarmament. I wish more people were like him. Unfortunately, they aren't, and in this issue, he is out of tune with public opinion. Analysis and war game scenarios based on the cold war, basically demonstrate that in 75% of situations where Nuclear weapons and Bio/Chemical weapons were deployed, NATO would initiate the exchange first, and in every scenario that ended in a stalemate or victory for NATO, they would be the initiator of nuclear exchange (a NATO victory would be the full deployment of US Military into Europe, which would have taken around 30-40 days). In no scenario would Germany (west or east) have survived as a nation in any meaningful way. Almost certainly, the Russians would have retaliated to the NATO deployment of nuclear weapons on the battle field with nuclear strikes against NATO cities.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 16 10.18am |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
I think the nuclear deterrent idea is a bit of a fallacy. Anyone crazy enough to use a nuke is going to use it regardless of whether they are going to get nuked in return. Unfortunately, Putin is exactly that crazy. Trump will be too, if he gets in. I think everyone knows that nuclear weapons are a Bad Thing. In a perfect, logical world we'd dismantle the bloody things quick as we could. But we aren't. I respect Corbyn's views on nuclear disarmament. I wish more people were like him. Unfortunately, they aren't, and in this issue, he is out of tune with public opinion. There is an interesting, unconfirmed story regarding a terminally ill Stalin, desiring to take the 'world with him', which doesn't seem to unfeasible. The story in Russian circles was that Beria murdered Stalin to prevent this, and was in turn murdered by Kruschev sometime later (in retaliation for Beria being Stalin's long time friend and executer of countless purges). Whilst the story has never been truly confirmed. It does seem worryingly possible (and not entirely unbelievable that Stalin would want to take humanity to the grave with him).
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| steeleye20 Croydon 01 Aug 16 11.43am |
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If ever you have communist leanings have a read up on Beria executor of Stalin's purges and the vilest human specimen you can ever imagine. I think Kruschev was so appalled by him they just couldn't stand it any longer and Stalin being gone they arranged a private show trial and executed him asap. The charge apparently was 'spying for Britain'!
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| Stuk Top half 01 Aug 16 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
What utter sh*t. The UK is and will continue to be a pivotal member of NATO, as will the US. The essence of the NATO treaty is that an attack on one member is deemed to be an attack on all, and that includes nuclear attack. So a nuclear attack on a non-nuclear member will provoke a nuclear response. Your comment about how other countries see the UK treaty-wise is such infantile, risible bollocks as to not even merit a response. That'll confuse them. More facts. They don't like facts.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Aug 16 9.19pm |
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Blimey! socialists in Guildford...
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