Was acknowledged on here ages ago are something likely used to gee up and inspire literally than being literal. From someone who pushes a perspective that only Ukrainians have committed war crimes , pushed propaganda, and that we should an ashamed of arming them, you might have a bit of catching up to do if you're genuinely interested in truth.

This was literally a broad invasion, and bombardment of a country and all that inevitable bloodshed that brings. The only thing that has slowed it is Russia's overblown view of their military power, and other countries assistance of Ukraine, meaning that Putin has clearly re-evaluated what is and isn't doable.

The prior rights and wrongs, politically and otherwise are open for debate, but it's certainly not the West who even have the ability to stop this situation, unless you're happy with the outcome akin to complete occupation or genocide along the lines of this, publishes in state approved Russian media [Link] which aligns .. which I suppose you must be if you feel Ukranians shouldn't be armed by others.

Yes, those nitpicking the besieged, attacking the West for helping them defend themselves, and effectively going some way to acting as mouthpieces for the aggressors ought understand what they are actually advocating for should we turn a blind eye to this bombardment. Though to be honest, they likely either already know or just don't care.

Edited by BlueJay (02 May 2022 3.54pm)

The longer term danger of being so cautious over how Putin manipulates anything we do for his own propaganda is that you could say we never do anything because he changes his rules logic at any convenient moment. At some point some talks are going to have to happen because Putin will never leave Ukraine otherwise, but the Ukraine deserves the right to defend itself vs Russia already militarily prepared, even if strategically badly, and therefore needed supplies to make it fair rather than an instant takeover of its first new state of Russia.

Since the beginning , to me, it has looked like the late 1930's. The belief that they would have been welcomed like Lebensraum. The over estimation of minority views in the UK and the EU. Then question is what profile will the allies initially look like as many Putanista conflate NATO with the support for Ukraine.

Although I have always hoped not I see a wider war. We need to start now by rooting out the internal treason.

I do fine the insufficiently disguised 'let Russia get on with it' quite shocking. There is plenty of sense to stalling their advance. Turning a blind eye then realising that the momentum doesn't stop at lines we have decided upon is something I'd rather we didn't see come to pass. Putin understanding that the cost of his invasion(s) is greater than he anticipated will make it a consideration and wake up call going forward, and burst the 'yes men' bubble that he occupies.

Many of these muppets, and there’s many on social media, are mainly cowards who wouldn’t spout this sh1te to a Ukrainian or someone with Ukrainian family. Many are within a tribe that probably started with covid while believing they’re using more information than everyone else and ask questions than everyone else so come to the more intelligent answers. In truth they’re just following their generals and captains of their tribe. A lot of it is a contrarian for the sake of it, and often because they don’t get as much attention they crave or their delusional brain thinks they deserve. Just because some people had a point during covid it doesn’t mean they do on every important issue thereafter, but they long to be in the tribe and be listened to. Very sad. Shame they don’t try Moscow or East Ukraine. See if they see things differently than in Sussex or Kent or wherever.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (02 May 2022 7.56pm)