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The Dolphin Flag 17 Jun 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

It is heading for Dougie Freedman with help from others to be honest.
"We couldn't find the right candidate so we went with him".
It wouldn't be the end of my world if he was in charge to be honest.
Sure, he cocked up back in the day but undoubtedly holds CPFC close to his heart and appears - from the documentary anyway - to be able to get the best out of players and bond them together and at our level that is a a very important asset!
Time will tell.

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 17 Jun 21 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I told you, on the wind I'm not blown away by the idea and you're right, we don't have a clue, but if you're not interested in speculation then that makes 90% of what's on this forum redundant!

Ah, of course, the answer my friend is Blowin' In The Wind'. Should've spotted that, but don't get me started on Bob again. There are those on here are already bored with the subject.

But, isn't this thread fun. I'll be interested to see who will be the first to post "I told you all it would be him!" when the interminable wait is over and an announcement is made.

BTW what's the weather like in Malta today? Been raining here after a few decent sunny days. Good for the gardens though. Oh hum.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 17 Jun 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Ah, of course, the answer my friend is Blowin' In The Wind'. Should've spotted that, but don't get me started on Bob again. There are those on here are already bored with the subject.

But, isn't this thread fun. I'll be interested to see who will be the first to post "I told you all it would be him!" when the interminable wait is over and an announcement is made.

BTW what's the weather like in Malta today? Been raining here after a few decent sunny days. Good for the gardens though. Oh hum.

I told you all it would be him!

(Sorry, its not big and it's not clever. I'm not proud of myself........its just you dangled the line and I had to bite!)

Edited by Mwncisee (17 Jun 2021 2.24pm)

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 17 Jun 21 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I told you all it would be him!

(Sorry, its not big and it's not clever. I'm not proud of myself........its just you dangled the line and I had to bite!)

Edited by Mwncisee (17 Jun 2021 2.24pm)

Yeah, yeah. OK it had to be you. Wasn't that a Frank Sinatra song?

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Aray Flag South London 17 Jun 21 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm not anti-Favre, I'd be happy enough with him (as I would with most of the other apparent contenders). As you say though, all coaches have their downsides, and it seemed to me that nobody was acknowledging Favres, so I did.

To elaborate a bit, experience of the league and players can be very important. It's one thing to be a top student of the wider game, and another to already know exactly how you would get the best out of Benteke, Zaha and Eze (when fit) because you've had experience of managing against them a few times, so you've done detailed research on them, then tested your theories in practise. I'd imagine Dyche, or maybe even Howe, would know our best players inside out from setting up their Burnley or Bournemouth teams to stop them. For all his wider understanding, Favre would have to develop that level of detailed knowledge over time. Not fatal perhaps, but not preferable either.

Not understanding culture is potentially an important thing too. The coaches you list have all adapted well, but they've had hugely expensive squads of top-class players, which helps. Plus we can't forget the ones who went the other way. Scolari won the world cup with Brazil and was a tough, no-nonsense hero with the Portuguese national team - The country loved his style. That same style clashed and failed horribly at Chelsea - he just couldn't get the same cultural connection.

Felix Magath won the German Bundesliga three times with two different clubs, one being Wolfsburg who haven't got close before or since, but he is still talked about with a shake of the head at Fulham. His methods worked brilliantly in one place, but didn't translate - in fact they crashed and burned as Fulham went down.

Santini and Gross had great records in their respective leagues, but flopped at Spurs, with a failure to connect culturally being a big part of it.

In terms of knowing the club, I think that's vital. Villas-Boas was hugely successful at Porto, and on the face of it, he and Chelsea had agreed that he would come in and sweep away the old guard of players. Had he known the club better he would have realised that in fact the players hold the power, and that you need to take them with you along the way, slowly easing the big names out, or you'll be for the chop. I'd think a new Palace manager will need similar knowledge - Parish wants the youngsters brought through but he will sack a manager if we are anywhere near the relation zone. In fact, his longest serving manager (Roy) relied on experienced players to keep his job, and it worked. Will Favre understand the reality behind what Parish wants? Will he be able to manage upwards in a way which is effective specifically for Parish / Palace, and therefore low on drama? Harder to do if the club, chairman and DoF are all totally unknown quantities to you.

Finally, and whilst I repeat I would be happy with Favre on the face of things, I also repeat the concerns I aired when Nuno was in the running - if it seems too good to be true then it probably is. At his age he can't come to us and use us as a stepping stone, proving himself before going to a bigger job in two to three years, so he has to want to be here for it's own sake, to work at our (smaller) club, with lesser players, in the opposite end of the league than he has been used to. If he is happy to do that, I would ask him: Why? What is your motivation? If it's living in London, earning a fortune and experiencing the league, then it's a no thanks from me. We need the sleeves rolled up, and we rarely get it from those stepping down to our level, or at least not in the same way we get it from those stepping up. Human nature really.

A lot to agree with in this post. I will disagree, slightly with the conclusion, or the way you laid out your argument to get there. He must know he's not going to get a job at Munich or PSG. He's not worked in England - but he's not even going to get a job at a Spurs. Moving to London to manage a mid-table team isn't such a bad motivating factor, if you ask me. I agree a young, up and coming, would be ideal but we'd need to take a risk on lesser experience. Doesn't seem like the parlous state of the squad would make that a good decision. And of course they would leave when a better offer comes.

Separately, I do hope we are looking outside of the UK as there doesn't seem to be a huge talent pool right now.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Jun 21 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I heard Juan Cornetto is available

Give him to me

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 17 Jun 21 2.37pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Give him to me

good thing with this fella is he doesn't have any backroom staff, it's just Juan Cornetto.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Jun 21 2.53pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It is heading for Dougie Freedman with help from others to be honest.

Sure, he cocked up back in the day but undoubtedly holds CPFC close to his heart and appears - from the documentary anyway - to be able to get the best out of players and bond them together and at our level that is a a very important asset!
Time will tell.

Perhaps Freedman was a one trick pony as he certainly couldn't get the best out of the Bolton and Forest players and was sacked for his failures.

If he couldn't perform in the Championship what makes you think he would do any better in the top division

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 17 Jun 21 3.14pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

he did well first season at Bolton, but there was no money to improve the squad bcos Garside pulled a fast one, so the decline next season was inevitable, and nobody's done well at Forest - he'd been OK as stop gap/caretaker till we get a suitable candidate - he proved himself an extremely talented coach here, but he had a set up he was familiar with, when you go to a new club you have to change the set up and sometimes that's what undoes new managers.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 17 Jun 21 3.20pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Ah, of course, the answer my friend is Blowin' In The Wind'. Should've spotted that, but don't get me started on Bob again. There are those on here are already bored with the subject.

But, isn't this thread fun. I'll be interested to see who will be the first to post "I told you all it would be him!" when the interminable wait is over and an announcement is made.

BTW what's the weather like in Malta today? Been raining here after a few decent sunny days. Good for the gardens though. Oh hum.

Now we're into June it is basically like that old Fast Show sketch i.e. Scorchio! [Link]

But yes, this thread is a welcome distraction from the real world. Be sure to remember me when Silva gets the job!

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 17 Jun 21 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Now we're into June it is basically like that old Fast Show sketch i.e. Scorchio! [Link]

Lucky sod!

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Jun 21 3.44pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Everton fans seem to think they will speaking to Favre imminently. Seems to a problem with Fonseca to Spurs.
Unfortunately we are back of the queue and thus could drag on

Update: Fonseca to Spurs broken down

Edited by Spiderman (17 Jun 2021 3.51pm)

 

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