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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 19 Nov 20 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
To be fair you have both made assumptions, I am of Trinidadian descent and in my personal opinion you're both wrong. Please elaborate. My understanding is many from West Indian and African cultures keep separate from each other. That’s more my point. Rather than some sheltered white man from Cornwall riding in on his chariot to tell everyone about how they should feel about them being Nigerian and not Jamaican etc.
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| Belmont 19 Nov 20 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Please elaborate. My understanding is many from West Indian and African cultures keep separate from each other. That’s more my point. Rather than some sheltered white man from Cornwall riding in on his chariot to tell everyone about how they should feel about them being Nigerian and not Jamaican etc. Where did you get that understanding from?
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| Matov 19 Nov 20 11.00am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Interesting, mask slipping, use of language. So your point in summary; the Arabs had the right idea by castrating their black slaves. There is a certain cold logic to it. And perhaps says more about the Arab mindset than the European one. With the Ottoman Empire also more than happy to castrate Christian boys so they were, in a f***ed up way, equal opportunity choppers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 20 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You just can’t help being condescending can you, even when someone’s right because they’re closer to real life, real people than your trees and fields everywhere, and how they think and view other countries and cultures when they’re the same colour- black. But you get it so wrong again with ‘ At least you dignify people by describing them as Jamaicans and Trinidadians even if their forefathers would actually have been African. It's a small step in the right direction.’ After you’ve assumed they will have the same view as you that they had their Nigerian identity taken from them after several hundred years of a West Indian culture. You think you’re so right, yet you get it so wrong. No wonder you venture onto websites with real people. It’s because you’re so detached from real life and people you’re just much further left to that of a telegraph reading toff who’s never been near anyone for years apart from his hedge fund manager. I’d expect at least one non white face to be on the board at the bbc, but they aren’t, and you know why? It’s because that would mean people not being promoted into it when you’ll know they were anticipating that happening, because that’s what happens in these tax funded organisations. They want diversity, but not if it affects their career. And why are the only black production companies getting only ‘urban’ programmes on the BBC? There are some being made but ignored. Well done. Although I am hardly surprised you once again are completely missing the point, which is only the use of skin colour as an adjective to differentiate people. Nothing else. As your answer doesn't even attempt to address that it is pure waffle.
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| DanH SW2 19 Nov 20 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Matov
There is a certain cold logic to it. And perhaps says more about the Arab mindset than the European one. With the Ottoman Empire also more than happy to castrate Christian boys so they were, in a f***ed up way, equal opportunity choppers. Bet you never thought you would use that sentence in your life.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 20 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
To be fair you have both made assumptions, I am of Trinidadian descent and in my personal opinion you're both wrong. I hope I haven't made any assumptions but am always willing to listen to direct evidence. My real point is the use of a person's skin colour to describe them and lump them into categories which are not simply inaccurate but dangerously divisive. Me having a "white" skin says nothing at all about me or whether I share any characteristics with anyone else with a "white" skin.
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| Belmont 19 Nov 20 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope I haven't made any assumptions but am always willing to listen to direct evidence. My real point is the use of a person's skin colour to describe them and lump them into categories which are not simply inaccurate but dangerously divisive. Me having a "white" skin says nothing at all about me or whether I share any characteristics with anyone else with a "white" skin. 100% agree
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| Belmont 19 Nov 20 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope I haven't made any assumptions but am always willing to listen to direct evidence. My real point is the use of a person's skin colour to describe them and lump them into categories which are not simply inaccurate but dangerously divisive. Me having a "white" skin says nothing at all about me or whether I share any characteristics with anyone else with a "white" skin. Also I mis read your original comment, so my comment about you making assumptions was wrong so I apologise.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 20 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well done. Although I am hardly surprised you once again are completely missing the point, which is only the use of skin colour as an adjective to differentiate people. Nothing else. As your answer doesn't even attempt to address that it is pure waffle. Of course I will judge people as I find them. But what you seem to think in your bizarre thoughts and likewise waffle, is that skin colour doesn’t exist. It exists as a problem even for white people when in an area or place and you get young black people thinking you don’t belong there. It’s an unfortunate reality. If you weren’t in Truro all the time you might realise.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 20 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope I haven't made any assumptions but am always willing to listen to direct evidence. My real point is the use of a person's skin colour to describe them and lump them into categories which are not simply inaccurate but dangerously divisive. An example of how liberals are probably more uneasy with race. While I am more than comfortable describing someone’s identity, you get liberals tip toeing around it or bundling anyone non white into BAME, or worse, ‘brown’ as well as black. Apparently, according to some, ‘brown people’ is an acceptable description or demographic. Well ‘brown people’, god it sounds bad every time I think it while typing it, includes many different races and identities. You might not share any ‘characteristics’ with anyone going by anything, but you do share a culture with English/British/European people. That is one of the main issues and points on this and made on HOL. That is one of the concerns of people today and how liberals are quite willing to let it fade away, or to be precise, import more ethnic minorities to vote for them or to keep them down where they are to vote for them. But if you’re sheltered from it all you can look away.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 20 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Where did you get that understanding from? Ok perhaps more prejudice than living completely separately. Maybe that fades as families get 4th, 5th generation and so on members and they see themselves as black Londoners rather than Nigerian or Jamaican etc etc, (and nobody will have taken their identity there) but names give a big clue and it forms a lot of identity for many people, wherever they or their family are originally from. To give you an idea of my angle on things like this, that Sainsbury’s advert I thought the black female daughter had been given a pretty bad script of ‘literallyeeeee, to be fair’ and they may as well gone the whole way and given her ‘basically’ and ‘like like like.’
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Teddy Eagle  19 Nov 20 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope I haven't made any assumptions but am always willing to listen to direct evidence. My real point is the use of a person's skin colour to describe them and lump them into categories which are not simply inaccurate but dangerously divisive. Me having a "white" skin says nothing at all about me or whether I share any characteristics with anyone else with a "white" skin. If there is such a thing as white culture then it’s inevitable that you will share characteristics with other people brought up and living within it or John Donne was wrong and apparently one man is an island.
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