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We are goin up! Coulsdon 22 Jun 16 11.21am
Predictions: Quite fancying a flutter on the result. I reckon it's going to be 54-46 in favour of remain (unfortunately), what's everyone else's thoughts? The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Predictions:

Quite fancying a flutter on the result.

I reckon it's going to be 54-46 in favour of remain (unfortunately), what's everyone else's thoughts?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Part Time James 22 Jun 16 11.21am
Originally posted by We are goin up! Predictions: Quite fancying a flutter on the result. I reckon it's going to be 54-46 in favour of remain (unfortunately), what's everyone else's thoughts? I wouldn't argue anything much different, so just to prove I am paying attention I will go 55-45
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Originally posted by We are goin up!

Predictions:

Quite fancying a flutter on the result.

I reckon it's going to be 54-46 in favour of remain (unfortunately), what's everyone else's thoughts?

I wouldn't argue anything much different, so just to prove I am paying attention I will go 55-45

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Lyons550 Shirley 22 Jun 16 11.34am
Originally posted by Part Time James The problem with the debate for me is that the only people debating the subject are people that had already made their mind up for Leave or Remain. I doubt (although can't say this as a fact) very few people have been influenced by these kind of debates. Spot on...it's like two kids bickering over who has first choice when picking the footie teams in the playground. Neither are interested in choosing the right person...they just want to get one over on the other. Edited by Lyons550 (22 Jun 2016 11.34am) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Originally posted by Part Time James

The problem with the debate for me is that the only people debating the subject are people that had already made their mind up for Leave or Remain. I doubt (although can't say this as a fact) very few people have been influenced by these kind of debates.

Spot on...it's like two kids bickering over who has first choice when picking the footie teams in the playground. Neither are interested in choosing the right person...they just want to get one over on the other.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 11.53am
Originally posted by Rubin Don't forget TTIP. They were saying on the radio yesterday that when it comes to TTIP and the NHS, the NHS got ring fenced from being seen as 'monopoly' which would have meant that businesses could have sued the UK government in secret courts if they felt they'd been treated unfairly when it came to contracts. This exclusion was later withdrawn. As an example, if the UK government were to bring in a law limiting the amount of sugar allowed in soft drinks, it would mean that a company such as Coca Cola could sue for loss of profits. On the food standards that TTIP would impose on Europe: [Link] Edited by Rubin (22 Jun 2016 9.07am) 1. It's not going through as smoothly as is made out. 2. I think the current lot would sign as an 'independent ' nation anyway - if they can
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Originally posted by Rubin

Don't forget TTIP.

They were saying on the radio yesterday that when it comes to TTIP and the NHS, the NHS got ring fenced from being seen as 'monopoly' which would have meant that businesses could have sued the UK government in secret courts if they felt they'd been treated unfairly when it came to contracts. This exclusion was later withdrawn.

As an example, if the UK government were to bring in a law limiting the amount of sugar allowed in soft drinks, it would mean that a company such as Coca Cola could sue for loss of profits.

On the food standards that TTIP would impose on Europe: [Link]

Edited by Rubin (22 Jun 2016 9.07am)

1. It's not going through as smoothly as is made out.
2. I think the current lot would sign as an 'independent ' nation anyway - if they can

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 11.54am
Originally posted by Willo Michael Gove actually said that only by leaving the EU could some of the significant sum sent to that dastardly organisation be diverted to the NHS.He also added that only by leaving the EU could we remove VAT from energy bills. Anyway I think this is enough from me on this topic for the time being.I will only get on my "Soapbox" and get drawn into a protracted debate which will clearly WILLO this thread. Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 10.56am) The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure.
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Originally posted by Willo

Michael Gove actually said that only by leaving the EU could some of the significant sum sent to that dastardly organisation be diverted to the NHS.He also added that only by leaving the EU could we remove VAT from energy bills.

Anyway I think this is enough from me on this topic for the time being.I will only get on my "Soapbox" and get drawn into a protracted debate which will clearly WILLO this thread.

Edited by Willo (22 Jun 2016 10.56am)

The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 11.55am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted FFS....... Not the Pyramid of Hierarchy again........ GROAN....... Yep and some are still on the bottom 2 rungs
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Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 11.55am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

FFS.......

Not the Pyramid of Hierarchy again........

GROAN.......

Yep and some are still on the bottom 2 rungs

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Part Time James 22 Jun 16 11.57am
Originally posted by nickgusset The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure. What's that in £?
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22 Jun 16 11.57am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure.

What's that in £?

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matt_himself Matataland 22 Jun 16 11.58am
Originally posted by Part Time James I was going to vote leave before I even knew about the prostitutes. It will be a male prostitute, or 'inter sex' or a transsexual or what not, as it will be provided by the liberal fascists of the Remain Camp. They want you to practice Dutch sodomy, instead of good old British missionary sex, as part of their European social engineering project. Reject this. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 22 Jun 16 11.58am

Originally posted by Part Time James

I was going to vote leave before I even knew about the prostitutes.

It will be a male prostitute, or 'inter sex' or a transsexual or what not, as it will be provided by the liberal fascists of the Remain Camp.

They want you to practice Dutch sodomy, instead of good old British missionary sex, as part of their European social engineering project. Reject this.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 12.01pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted There you go again with your unbiased commentary which puts the Leave campaign in a very bad light whilst you contemplate who to vote for Gusset. KLAXON..... Charade Alert..... KLAXON Read my earlier post (around 8.40) where I spoke about renationalising and how that's a really big issue for me. I'm just trying to put info out there as quite a few people have no idea about a lot of things. Isn't it important that people have as many facts before they decide. Tis a big decision. The Lexit film raises some excellent points. I'm back to fifty fifty now!
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Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 16 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

There you go again with your unbiased commentary which puts the Leave campaign in a very bad light whilst you contemplate who to vote for Gusset.

KLAXON..... Charade Alert..... KLAXON

Read my earlier post (around 8.40) where I spoke about renationalising and how that's a really big issue for me.

I'm just trying to put info out there as quite a few people have no idea about a lot of things.
Isn't it important that people have as many facts before they decide. Tis a big decision.
The Lexit film raises some excellent points.

I'm back to fifty fifty now!

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 12.04pm
Originally posted by OknotOK I don't think that's an unreasonable concern (although could be applied to any democratic process and is probably a reason to not have referendums at all) but equally most people won't be able to look at the larger issues that you're making reference to. Because the scale you're talking about is completely impossible to reasonably gauge. It is not viable for you to say what a Britain-in-the-EU looks like in 20 years time. They can make a guess, but there is simply no way of knowing. So making a judgement on contemporary issues or smaller issues that can be easier evaluated seems valid. Valid perhaps but wise? I think given what we know about the intent of the EU, it is not at all unreasonable to project a European government within a couple of lifetimes. People like the ideology of a world coming together and getting smaller but they don't think about what that will really mean for the individual. They see a world with no wars and everyone holding hands which is totally unrealistic and the stuff of fantasy. What they don't think about is how their personal circumstances will be effected on a more practical level.
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Originally posted by OknotOK

I don't think that's an unreasonable concern (although could be applied to any democratic process and is probably a reason to not have referendums at all) but equally most people won't be able to look at the larger issues that you're making reference to. Because the scale you're talking about is completely impossible to reasonably gauge. It is not viable for you to say what a Britain-in-the-EU looks like in 20 years time. They can make a guess, but there is simply no way of knowing.

So making a judgement on contemporary issues or smaller issues that can be easier evaluated seems valid.

Valid perhaps but wise?

I think given what we know about the intent of the EU, it is not at all unreasonable to project a European government within a couple of lifetimes.
People like the ideology of a world coming together and getting smaller but they don't think about what that will really mean for the individual. They see a world with no wars and everyone holding hands which is totally unrealistic and the stuff of fantasy. What they don't think about is how their personal circumstances will be effected on a more practical level.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 16 12.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Read my earlier post (around 8.40) where I spoke about renationalising and how that's a really big issue for me. I'm just trying to put info out there as quite a few people have no idea about a lot of things. Isn't it important that people have as many facts before they decide. Tis a big decision. The Lexit film raises some excellent points. I'm back to fifty fifty now! The crowd are currently throwing virtual rotten tomatoes.
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22 Jun 16 12.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Read my earlier post (around 8.40) where I spoke about renationalising and how that's a really big issue for me.

I'm back to fifty fifty now!

The crowd are currently throwing virtual rotten tomatoes.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jun 16 12.10pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure. We send BILLIONS to the EU each year.More than the 'Home Office' budget and about 10% of the NHS budget.Yes a "Significant sum" whichever way you look at it.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jun 16 12.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The significant sum last year was a massive 1.1@% of our annual expenditure.

We send BILLIONS to the EU each year.More than the 'Home Office' budget and about 10% of the NHS budget.Yes a "Significant sum" whichever way you look at it.

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