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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That won't necessarily work. Parliament can pass a law refusing to allow No Deal and insisting on an extension and Boris Johnson can then go to Brussels to ask for the extension which he will subsequently vote against. Game, set and match I have read this scenario, as you have too obviously. If we know then for sure every MP will as well and a strategy to defeat it will be prepared because you simply cannot allow such Machiavellian tactics to thwart the will of Parliament. If he tried that and it succeeded then we really would have a monster of a constitutional crisis.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Correct. As some people clearly have issues understanding, while the remain vote was aligned, the leave vote was split. 'Leave no matter what' ie. 'No deal' being just one of the many different expectations, and more importantly conditions of deciding to vote leave. Just because you voted for 'No deal', does not mean that everyone else who voted leave also wants no deal. Not that hard to grasp, really. It ought not to be hard to grasp but obviously is for many both who contribute here and for some who are pushing "no-deal" in Parliament. Although many of the latter understand it perfectly well but are willing to bet the electorate don't. I listened today to a former Tory adviser who was consulted on what their strategy is and how it is devised. He said that the current Government have taken this to the extreme and have everything already mapped out, the preparations for an election campaign written down in detail months ago, Facebook adverts ready, and the seemingly off the cuff insults all written and tested in focus groups for effectiveness. This isn't politics! This is marketing. The selling of ideas that you want to push forward for your own reasons. This is the Trump style of populist appeal to the lowest common denominator. We MUST resist this or we will end up controlled by interest groups and/or those who actually wish to harm us. This is much more important than just Brexit. It's a fight for the soul of our Parliamentary democracy.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Sep 19 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future. Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground! This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament. Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it. However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Sep 19 9.32pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude. We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Sep 19 9.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Johnson's attempt to blame shift the focus onto Corbyn has obviously found some fallow ground! This is not a battle between Corbyn and the government. It's between Johnson and Parliament. Johnson will continue to try to frame it that way, the tactics have obviously been programmed into it. However I think many other people opposed to Johnson will receive as much or more exposure than Corbyn in the coming weeks. Corbyn won't be a peripheral figure but he won't be centre stage. What a load of crap. Delaying Brexit again is a shameful misuse of the Parliamentary system.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Well you can blame your old chum Blair for that awful phrase. ‘Your’
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You just summed up the stupidity of the Remainer attitude. We had a vote and Remain lost. The will of the people right there. FYI I’m keen to leave, but with a deal I just absolutely loathe that phrase
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We voted in a Referendum! Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function. If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
One thing I’ll be glad to never hear again is that godawful phrase ‘the will of the people’. Firstly, it’s ‘the will of some of the people’, technically not even half based on a 46m strong voting population. Same goes for remain. I’d much prefer ‘the result of the referendum’ ‘outcome of the vote’ etc. Anything but that. It’s overused and misused, usually as a way to attempt to paint the politician who is trotting it out as some kind of everyday prole standing shoulder to shoulder with his or her constituents when their main motivation is nothing of the sort. Vacuous The words are also just annoying when assembled in that order. Also people are inherently annoying as an entity anyway so giving them too much credibility is also annoying. Now this is more like it! Personally I've always wondered where the dwarf vote was with Brexit......Not that dwarfs aren't people as well...just smaller...I'd just like to know how they voted. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 9.40pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Sep 19 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We voted in a Referendum! Doing so doesn't close down Parliament or curtail it's function. If it decides that the way we leave needs further clarification then that's it's right and it's duty to act upon it. More bulls***. You and all the other Remainers who want to avoid Brexit at all costs have revealed yourselves to have no concern for this country's interests at all.
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