Yes, it was well understood in respect of the information available at the time. That included an unequivocal statement that leaving would come with a deal. How many times does this have to be stated for goodness sake. Perhaps some people didn't care whether there was going to be a deal but that is what was promised and what was voted upon. There may well have been a significant group that would not have voted for a no-deal Brexit, that cannot be known as it was never tested.

Yes, it was well understood in respect of the information available at the time. That included an unequivocal statement that leaving would come with a deal. How many times does this have to be stated for goodness sake. Perhaps some people didn't care whether there was going to be a deal but that is what was promised and what was voted upon. There may well have been a significant group that would not have voted for a no-deal Brexit, that cannot be known as it was never tested.

Powell was not Prime Minister.....should have been but unfortunately the best minds rarely attain the top.

Prime Minister Edward Heath, television broadcast on Britain’s entry into the Common Market, January 1973

Here is a direct quote to the nation:

'There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified'

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Or may not. Hyperthetical as even you Mystic do not know the answer

I note that you didn't have the full transcript of that quote. May I suggest you broaden your reading a tad, 'Campaign for an Independent Britain' may not be entirely objective.

Heath was very clear in 1971, as your link does indeed show. Here are some more quotes:

''I see no reason why the enlarged Community should not work out a common West European policy, and decide together upon the means for carrying that policy into effect.

It seems to me inevitable that progress towards a common foreign policy will be accompanied by increasing cooperation on defence. And again, on other areas of integration; As a member of the enlarged Community, we in Britain will welcome progress towards economic and monetary union, which will enable Europe to speak with a single, independent and powerful voice in international counsels on these matters. Let us even dare to hope that a united Europe may be the means of bringing about that still wider unity among mankind which must be our ultimate goal.''

So what people knew upon entry to the EEC and at the time of the first referendum was that the intention was closer integration, potentially including e.g. EU armed forces. They agreed to this and then confirmed that agreement in a referendum. So in what way exactly were we lied to? How has the ground shifted?

The truth is that people who lived through wars knew something needed to be done and made it happen. Then their children decided the grass was greener on the other side - well it ain't. The people that set this in motion knew what they were doing and aimed to get it locked in. We are now going against the heroes of two World Wars, shame on us.

Here are the facts Maple.

Back in 73 and 75 the British voted for the common market......They did not vote for any other form of Europe. I've shown where they were lied to in a direct TV address to the nation.

In 2016 the British public after having a taste of the lies and power grabs and of having been denied a vote for forty odd years voted against the EU.

Deal with it.

As for shame, you deciding to use the dead to support your own politics that stinks.

Don't speak for those who can't.....We could all pull that trick.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 4.45pm)