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The groover Danbury 11 Mar 23 11.29am | |
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Lineker also mouths off about inviting a refugee into his home. Turns out its his second home that he never stays in. More virtue signalling. Comparing the UK wit Nazi Germany is a disgrace and saying that other countries take far more than we do. Again, turns out to be incorrect.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Mar 23 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by The groover
Lineker also mouths off about inviting a refugee into his home. Turns out its his second home that he never stays in. More virtue signalling. Comparing the UK wit Nazi Germany is a disgrace and saying that other countries take far more than we do. Again, turns out to be incorrect. For a fun bit of history that's not widely known - Britain took in as many Jews as it could during the run up and during WWII. For an example of turning boats of refugees away, look no further than Ireland. De Valera would take no Jews, ostensibly to remain neutral, in reality because the Irish didn't like them. He would have had questions to answer if he'd let in any non Catholics.
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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Mar 23 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I said a few days ago that it seemed Linekers removal looked inevitable given the positions on both sides and so it has been proved. Leaving aside the comments about MOTD itself, its tiredness and lack of actual football and concentrating only on the issue of whether Lineker should be able to make whatever comments he likes, on anything he wants, in his own time, I can see both sides of the argument. You don't have to agree with what Lineker said to agree with that. I can see the need for the BBC to not only be impartial but to be seen to be impartial. However, I can also see the need for the BBC to be free of government influence and be seen to be free of government influence. This is a much bigger issue than just what has happened to Lineker, or whether you agree, or disagree with his political views or those of the government. With another government the reverse could happen. I read what Greg Dyke said today and am persuaded by it. I won't repeat it all, but essentially he thinks the precedent in the BBC is that news and current affairs employees are expected to be impartial, and not the rest. Otherwise, no-body working in another area could ever express an opinion about anything, which clearly doesn't happen. Dyke, a former BBC Chairman, thinks what the BBC did yesterday was a mistake. If news and current affairs presenters can discuss sports in their private lives, and they obviously do, why cannot sports presenters discuss politics in theirs? Politics are not discussed on MOTD. Political actions by the players might be, but that's in context. This could well be a crunch point for Richard Sharp, the BBC Chairman who is already seen as being too close to the government. If he fails to back his staff he may face a growing rebellion from them. Whether Tim Davie, the BBC Director General, can pour oil on the water and find a workable compromise is an open question, but it doesn't appear likely at the moment. I know the BBC haters will be rejoicing at Lineker and the BBC "finally" being put in their place and suffering some "cancel culture" medicine of their own, but this is more important than political point scoring. Those of us who believe the BBC to be an essential bastion against government interference, and ultimate control, over what we are allowed to be told, will be watching and waiting to make sure it's preserved.
Except that Michael Vaughn has been sacked by the BBC for allegation of racism which he denies when he worked for Yorkshire Cricket Club and nothing to do with the BBC. It's because they feel he is a liability something that Lineker now is. As I have said in previous posts this is about reputational damage if Lineker is allowed free reign then others will follow and the left might no like what they have to say. Lineker has been in trouble before, we don't know what warnings he was given if any but he is damaging the BBC's reputation for impartiality. I have a suggestion the BBC should give him his own politics show where he can mouth off to his hearts content as long as there is equal representation for the alternate view point, episode 1 him versus the Home Secretary on immigration. Then if anybody wants to watch good luck to them I wont be. Edited by Badger11 (11 Mar 2023 11.51am)
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 11 Mar 23 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
All these pundits showing solidarity towards Lineker and withdrawing their services from MOTD and 'Football Focus'. Interesting that some were not prepared to show any moral solidarity with the abused migrant workers, women, or people in Qatar subjected to human rights abuses. I think this is my concern too in that he seems to constantly be making ill-advised or snide comments about the Tories without offering similar objections to any 'liberal' misdemeanours. And of course, his tax affairs only helps to cement his holier than thou situation. Edited by Willo (11 Mar 2023 11.09am)
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Mar 23 12.09pm | |
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Mar 23 12.24pm | |
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Spiderman Horsham 11 Mar 23 12.37pm | |
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For all those that are talking about the free speech issue, I agree. However did Lineker speak out and condemn those that issued death threats to JK Rowling, for expressing certain views? Did any of the other pundits? Shearer is probably the biggest hypocrite of them all, supporting free speech and those with no voice, how is this working in Saudi Alan? Did you witness this in Qatar?
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JRW2 Dulwich 11 Mar 23 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
It is understood that 'Football Focus' will not air as pundits have withdrawn from the programme. Totally agree. And I'm really looking forward to MOTD, shorn of its high-tech visuals, tedious analysis, Shearer describing everything as "magnificent", and all the rest of the baggage.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Mar 23 12.42pm | |
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BBC and others all show bias on their news coverage. I'm not really interested in football commentators opinions on anything outside football. That's not what they're paid to do. In any event, most of the UK population doesn't endorse Lineker's view on small boats, that is a big reason for Brexit. Loads of other commentary/radio staff doing 'virtue signalling' by pulling out of sports shows. Fcuk the BBC and their licence fee.
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Midlands Eagle 11 Mar 23 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
In any event, most of the UK population doesn't endorse Lineker's view on small boats. Whereas most of the BBS do Quelle surprise
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 12.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Except that Michael Vaughn has been sacked by the BBC for allegation of racism which he denies when he worked for Yorkshire Cricket Club and nothing to do with the BBC. It's because they feel he is a liability something that Lineker now is. As I have said in previous posts this is about reputational damage if Lineker is allowed free reign then others will follow and the left might no like what they have to say. Lineker has been in trouble before, we don't know what warnings he was given if any but he is damaging the BBC's reputation for impartiality. I have a suggestion the BBC should give him his own politics show where he can mouth off to his hearts content as long as there is equal representation for the alternate view point, episode 1 him versus the Home Secretary on immigration. Then if anybody wants to watch good luck to them I wont be. Edited by Badger11 (11 Mar 2023 11.51am) Except this isn't actually true. This is from the BBC website, so is likely to be accurate:- ""It is always regrettable when commentary on matters off the field take the focus away from what's happening on the field. In view of the ongoing dialogue on the subject, I have taken the decision to step back from my work for the BBC for the time being," Vaughan said in a statement. "The key driver for this is my concern for the wellbeing of my family members and my wish to protect their family life. Stepping back temporarily is also in the interests of the game and I hope that it will minimise any difficulties for my work colleagues." In a statement, the BBC said: "Following conversations with Michael Vaughan we've accepted his decision to step away from our cricket coverage. This is a decision we respect and understand. Michael remains under contract to the BBC."" This will all turn on whether the requirement for staff to be impartial is universal, or restricted only to their area of speciality. I didn't care when Jimmy Hill made offensive, right-wing political, and often racist, remarks off-air. I cared when he promoted Coventry City above Palace. I am much more offended by Lineker's unapologetic support for Leicester on MOTD, than I am that he dislikes government policy on immigration in his own time. This is not only a big test for the BBC, but also for Sunak. Will he resist the push from the right to trample on the BBC or stand up for their right to govern themselves? It will be both interesting and instructive.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Mar 23 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
It is understood that 'Football Focus' will not air as pundits have withdrawn from the programme. so, it's the Miners-Strike 2.0 ? Rishi Sunak as Thatcher. Linekar as Arthur Scargill. we had better buy some popcorn and tell the cops their annual leave has been cancelled.
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