I am puzzled on why there has been so much effort to allocate blame to African slave traders. My view is that this, whilst true, doesn't matter.

Nor does it matter that European slave traders transported and sold the slaves.

We shouldn't be judged by the actions of our forefathers. This all happened in another age, when completely other standards and attitudes were accepted as normal.

None of this matters. We can neither change it or be held responsible for it.

All we can be responsible for is what we do ourselves. The plain fact is that the successors of those slaves have lost their original cultural identity and that they have continued to suffer from discrimination by the successors of those who traded them, who are not all acting responsibly.

As times move on our understanding of these issues evolves and hopefully improves. For many, as is being seen in the widespread support for the BLM movement, there has been an improvement in behaviour. For others, as is painfully obvious, there isn't. Indeed it feels like regression.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Nov 2020 11.28pm)

Sadly there is a slave trade going great guns in Britain. Right now, seriously.

The history of slavery is really about supply and demand. The Atlantic trade was a period of very high demand.

In my opinion the punter is culpable as well as the trader.

Whites 'have been the architects of some of the most f***ed up s*** in modern history.'?

Well, if they were responsible for your education Mainey you might be half right.

However, I will deal with your main point.

'Are you seriously trying to blame the North American slave industry on black people?'?

No you see Mainey I'm the one saying that it's a nonsense to blame black or white for it. The ancestors of all involved were to blame. However, in your original post you wanted to focus blame for slavery on whites....even though the African and Arab involvement in slavery lasted far far longer (and still goes on) than the 300 years that Europeans profited from it before the British spent considerable money eradicating it from their empire.

You try to make the claim that I was saying whites have no blame.....which I didn't say. The elites who profited from slavery certainly did commit crimes from our modern perspective.....though focusing upon only one set of people judging from eras where slavery operated worldwide is unbalanced and is part of your obvious indoctrination Mainey.

You mention that Africans were bought to Americas....Yes, they were...it was wrong and never should have happened.....Slavery is a terrible crime. However, they were allowed to breed, unlike in Arab lands where the males were castrated....that's why you don't see large African populations there.

Also blacks in the US today are the richest most educated blacks in the world. There has been nothing stopping them from returning to Africa, yet few do....instead they have a legion of self hating whites feeding them nonsense about oppression and making laws to favour them over other groups.....All for votes and virtue signalling.

Funny isn't it.....The Arabs don't suffer any of this crap yet I get to listen to lefty whites with heads full of indoctrination and altered histories.

The reason the narrative is about 'whites' being the evil enforcers of slavery is because it's used to justify a grievance and diversity industry in the west aimed at selling guilt for hard cash and what they call reverse racism.

But I know you will believe what you want to believe.....as you say, I'm all about whitewashing whites....so nothing to see here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2020 12.01am)

Lol. You should go into parts of London and tell Jamaicans and Trinidadians they have lost their Nigerian or African cultural identity and give them your big speech. Let us know how you get on.

I certainly don’t like discrimination, nor do I like equality of outcome rather than equal opportunities. It’s rather funny when the people pushing these kind of things have no black people at their level. How many black faces in the boardroom at the BBC? Zero. What do they do instead? Spend £130 million of tax money on diversity agencies and continue to churn out urban cr&p on tv made by black producers and ignore any other stuff written by black producers. Now why would they do that? Hmmmm

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Nov 2020 12.47am)

As this little diversion into one of this section of the HOL's favourite subject areas is, for me at least, primarily about the use of skin colour as an adjective to classify a person, I regard your response as a tiny victory.

At least you dignify people by describing them as Jamaicans and Trinidadians even if their forefathers would actually have been African. It's a small step in the right direction.

This is in the US Presidential Election thread so having another pop at the BBC is just opportunism!

That the boardroom of any organisation demonstrates a lack of diversity is indicative of the problem in society as a whole, and not in that particular organisation. Selection needs to be done on merit and I loath any kind of positive discrimination just as much as any negative. We need to reach the point where we don't even think about, or notice such things.