It was a point made in reply to Dan.

Yes, the defence of Nato.

Not the defence of countries outside of Nato.

I've always supported the principle of Nato and its stance of very clear lines for war. No enemy could be in any doubt.

However, in my view, what is happening now is escalation.....an effective usage of Nato's resources outside of its bounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2022 10.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If your dogs attack our livestock, you are accountable, not the dogs (although the dogs will also be destroyed). Nato should not allow their nations (dogs, if you will) to attack. Nato are supposed to be the control, therefore held to account if their dogs attack. It seems Putin sees the arming of Ukraine by a Nato member as an act of 'sending the Nato dogs in'. I see it as 'attack is the best defence' from Poland. And, having many Polish acquaintances, I see their side of things too. Although it is a very dangerous tactic.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

He deliberately took what you said out of context.

The point im making is Russia is deeply imperialist, the kremlin consists almost entirely of bitter cold war hawks pining for the return of the Soviet union, removing Putin actually wouldnt make much of a difference, just a different talking head.
Only way were changing that is if we go for the old regime change & removing the lot (i did use the word mad deliberately) its not going to happen.

You're correct about Russia seeing the supply of equipment & heavy armor into Ukraine as Nato intervention, it's moot re the legal phrasing of this, certainly NATO have been consulted on all of this and whats been said behind closed doors we will never know.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

NATO , I think is trying to walk a fine line. Raising involvement incrementally is termed "Mission Creep", where the parameters change.
Much like mission Creep, my own stance has morphed as the sides adjust their positions and objectives.
No doubt the potential expansion of NATO caused this, or gave rise to causation. What we are seeing now is fundamentally "pl55ing in the wind" as those in power try to resolve a complex mess.
As usual, its the innocents bearing the brunt of pain and death and misery.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Exactly, Putin doesn't give a damn about his cannon fodder.

Had to laugh at the Russian foreign minister again warning those arming Ukraine.. “If the US and NATO are really interested in resolving the Ukraine crisis, then first of all, they should wake up and stop supplying the Kyiv regime with arms and ammunition”

Translates as essentially a request to stop Ukraine being able to defend itself against their bombardment so that they're battered into submission and the war ends".

Jokers. And to think some outside of Russia effectively egg on this outcome too, in hope that Russia won't show more aggression. A logic as poor as the morality behind it.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Apr 2022 5.28pm)

You have the cart before the horse!.

Nato doesn't control its members. They control Nato. Nato is an alliance of like-minded nations, who all can, and do, act independently. The only time they act together is in the defence of them all. For which they train, and have established command and control structures in place.

Putin wants to present this as Nato acting. Don't be fooled and present his propaganda for him

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.