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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Jan 21 4.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Before we all get too excited about getting a much needed win, it should be noted that Wolves have managed 3 points in their last 8 matches, losing 5.

So we beat a team with the worst current record in the PL.

It could also be claimed that they were worth a point yesterday.

We have far sterner opponents coming up. We may be well clear at the moment but a run like the end of last season, could make it nail biting.

Last season in the 9 games after Lockdown we managed just 4 pts.
If we attain just 4 pts in our next 9 games we could well be deep in the mire.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 31 Jan 21 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A win and supporters are so elated, indeed relieved, and those in the "Roy Out" camp are not motivated to vent their spleen against him and the style of football.

A loss on Tuesday at Newcastle and there will be a great deal of vexation, with Mr Hodgson the subject of much laceration.

Willo - don't know how you came to that conclusion, irrespective of yesterday's result majority view on here still seems to be that Roy has to go and IMO the sooner the better..!!

Interesting thing for me after Tuesday's result the "Pro Roy Camp" disappeared and had nothing to say.

But one result against a very poor Wolves side and they are all back in full voice.

I'm in "Roy out" camp quite simply because of our form since Jan 2020 to now; P39, W11, D9, L19 -if that ain't sackable form I don't know what is.

Within that that has been some absolutely horrific performances.

My view is simple in that the squad is better than that/those stats and Roy is underachieving with the resources at his disposal due to his rigid tactics and formations.

I have said many times on here that Roy up until the last 12 months has been good for us, but that time has past and now is the the time for change.

The result against Newcastle ain't going to change my view one way or the other - the trend and the way we play is there for all to see.

I'm not asking everyone to agree with me - it's my opinion but what really irks me is that some on here think that the criticism of Roy and the call for him to go is based on a game by game performance/result "knee jerk" reaction.

It's simply not, it's based upon the worrying downward spiral since Jan 2020, subsequent and consistent poor performances, selection, formation, tactics and style of play over that period.

With no suggestion that Roy has any idea to change it and/or arrest the downward trend.

That's the issue and as I have said the squad is better than that and IMO should be achieving much more that they are and that is due to the Manager.

COYP

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Jan 21 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Willo - don't know how you came to that conclusion, irrespective of yesterday's result majority view on here still seems to be that Roy has to go and IMO the sooner the better..!!

Interesting thing for me after Tuesday's result the "Pro Roy Camp" disappeared and had nothing to say.

But one result against a very poor Wolves side and they are all back in full voice.

I'm in "Roy out" camp quite simply because of our form since Jan 2020 to now; P39, W11, D9, L19 -if that ain't sackable form I don't know what is.

Within that that has been some absolutely horrific performances.

My view is simple in that the squad is better than that/those stats and Roy is underachieving with the resources at his disposal due to his rigid tactics and formations.

I have said many times on here that Roy up until the last 12 months has been good for us, but that time has past and now is the the time for change.

The result against Newcastle ain't going to change my view one way or the other - the trend and the way we play is there for all to see.

I'm not asking everyone to agree with me - it's my opinion but what really irks me is that some on here think that the criticism of Roy and the call for him to go is based on a game by game performance/result "knee jerk" reaction.

It's simply not, it's based upon the worrying downward spiral since Jan 2020, subsequent and consistent poor performances, selection, formation, tactics and style of play over that period.

With no suggestion that Roy has any idea to change it and/or arrest the downward trend.

That's the issue and as I have said the squad is better than that and IMO should be achieving much more that they are and that is due to the Manager.

COYP

For avoidance of doubt, I wasn't advocating that somehow the "Roy Out" camp were perhaps altering their antipathy on a match-by-match basis.I do feel that many mindsets are now "Set in stone".

I had just formed the opinion that with a win there is not the motivation to reinforce their message with relief and joy the overriding emotions. A defeat however just stirs the "Anti-Roy" emotions yet again and the calls for his removal become ever more strident.

I have perused with interest the arguments on 'both sides of the house'and I appreciate and understand the thinking behind several of the points raised on either side of the debate.

Edited by Willo (31 Jan 2021 4.43pm)

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 31 Jan 21 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Willo - don't know how you came to that conclusion, irrespective of yesterday's result majority view on here still seems to be that Roy has to go and IMO the sooner the better..!!

Interesting thing for me after Tuesday's result the "Pro Roy Camp" disappeared and had nothing to say.

But one result against a very poor Wolves side and they are all back in full voice.

I'm in "Roy out" camp quite simply because of our form since Jan 2020 to now; P39, W11, D9, L19 -if that ain't sackable form I don't know what is.

Within that that has been some absolutely horrific performances.

My view is simple in that the squad is better than that/those stats and Roy is underachieving with the resources at his disposal due to his rigid tactics and formations.

I have said many times on here that Roy up until the last 12 months has been good for us, but that time has past and now is the the time for change.

The result against Newcastle ain't going to change my view one way or the other - the trend and the way we play is there for all to see.

I'm not asking everyone to agree with me - it's my opinion but what really irks me is that some on here think that the criticism of Roy and the call for him to go is based on a game by game performance/result "knee jerk" reaction.

It's simply not, it's based upon the worrying downward spiral since Jan 2020, subsequent and consistent poor performances, selection, formation, tactics and style of play over that period.

With no suggestion that Roy has any idea to change it and/or arrest the downward trend.

That's the issue and as I have said the squad is better than that and IMO should be achieving much more that they are and that is due to the Manager.

COYP

Do you think our win ratio would have been greater over the last 12 months if the players had the backing of the fans. I know it’s the same for all clubs, but our support both home and away is far better than a lot of other clubs fans. Also I think our players raise their game when we are behind them, do you think this is a fair assessment?

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 31 Jan 21 5.08pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

For avoidance of doubt, I wasn't advocating that somehow the "Roy Out" camp were perhaps altering their antipathy on a match-by-match basis.I do feel that many mindsets are now "Set in stone".

I had just formed the opinion that with a win there is not the motivation to reinforce their message with relief and joy the overriding emotions. A defeat however just stirs the "Anti-Roy" emotions yet again and the calls for his removal become ever more strident.

Edited by Willo (31 Jan 2021 4.38pm)

Mate - I can only speak from my own point of view results like yesterday do nothing to change my point of view.

Don't get me wrong I was happy we won and could watch MOTD this morning..!!

I was also encouraged that Roy tried to change things up a little in terms of formation to begin with, but then resorted to type and just tried to hang on for the 20 - when Wolves were there for the taking..!!

OK it worked this time - but how many times when he has done that have we gone on to concede either to subsequently lose or draw a game.

As I said from my perspective my views ain't based on a
game by game perspective but on the overall trend, style of play and most worryingly Roy's inability to change or arrest it.

Look I think we will stay up comfortably, but that's due to just how poor some of the teams below us are, personally I think the current bottom 3 will be the 3 relegated - On that think 30 points will be about the relegation mark.

But that doesn't detract from that with our squad we should be doing so much better and be looking at more than just survival..!!

COYP

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 31 Jan 21 5.21pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Mate - I can only speak from my own point of view results like yesterday do nothing to change my point of view.

Don't get me wrong I was happy we won and could watch MOTD this morning..!!

I was also encouraged that Roy tried to change things up a little in terms of formation to begin with, but then resorted to type and just tried to hang on for the 20 - when Wolves were there for the taking..!!

OK it worked this time - but how many times when he has done that have we gone on to concede either to subsequently lose or draw a game.

As I said from my perspective my views ain't based on a
game by game perspective but on the overall trend, style of play and most worryingly Roy's inability to change or arrest it.

Look I think we will stay up comfortably, but that's due to just how poor some of the teams below us are, personally I think the current bottom 3 will be the 3 relegated - On that think 30 points will be about the relegation mark.

But that doesn't detract from that with our squad we should be doing so much better and be looking at more than just survival..!!

COYP

I agree with the general thrust of your argument. Clearly now with so many players over 30 and many soon to be out of contract, the next phase of development is one of rebuilding the squad via younger players, and not paying excessive salaries for non-performers. It will be interesting to see where we finish this season, after 11th, 12th, and 14th place finishes anything below 14th suggests we are in a downward spiral that the current manager has overseen and not been able to halt. Fresh blood is required all round for next season, and this includes a change of manager.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 31 Jan 21 5.27pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Do you think our win ratio would have been greater over the last 12 months if the players had the backing of the fans. I know it’s the same for all clubs, but our support both home and away is far better than a lot of other clubs fans. Also I think our players raise their game when we are behind them, do you think this is a fair assessment?

Mate absolutely I think that has had an affect, don't know if you saw/watched the BT coverage of the game yesterday when Efan Ekoku (I think it was) said that the Selhurst atmosphere was in the top 5 in the Prem..!! Obviously in those terms that has a huge affect.

What I also think if that we had been on this run and the way we are playing the calls for "Roy out" from the crowd/stands would have been deafening, whereas at the moment I'm not sure the/that level of discontentment is filtering through to SP and the Board.

COYP

 

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Ian-VI Flag Vicenza 31 Jan 21 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Ian-VI Add Ian-VI as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

lets see your predictions and I'll let you see mine lol

Aaah you meant it as a prediction!
I got that mathematically they could only get to 35.
Honestly I'd be surprised if only one of the bottom 3 gets to 35, let alone all three...

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 31 Jan 21 7.27pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Willo - don't know how you came to that conclusion, irrespective of yesterday's result majority view on here still seems to be that Roy has to go and IMO the sooner the better..!!

Interesting thing for me after Tuesday's result the "Pro Roy Camp" disappeared and had nothing to say.

But one result against a very poor Wolves side and they are all back in full voice.

I'm in "Roy out" camp quite simply because of our form since Jan 2020 to now; P39, W11, D9, L19 -if that ain't sackable form I don't know what is.

Within that that has been some absolutely horrific performances.

My view is simple in that the squad is better than that/those stats and Roy is underachieving with the resources at his disposal due to his rigid tactics and formations.

I have said many times on here that Roy up until the last 12 months has been good for us, but that time has past and now is the the time for change.

The result against Newcastle ain't going to change my view one way or the other - the trend and the way we play is there for all to see.

I'm not asking everyone to agree with me - it's my opinion but what really irks me is that some on here think that the criticism of Roy and the call for him to go is based on a game by game performance/result "knee jerk" reaction.

It's simply not, it's based upon the worrying downward spiral since Jan 2020, subsequent and consistent poor performances, selection, formation, tactics and style of play over that period.

With no suggestion that Roy has any idea to change it and/or arrest the downward trend.

That's the issue and as I have said the squad is better than that and IMO should be achieving much more that they are and that is due to the Manager.

COYP

Warning warning Wind up Alert lol

 

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PatrickA Flag London 31 Jan 21 7.36pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Excellent post Plaistow Eagle,summing up the thoughts of many fans I have spoken to.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 31 Jan 21 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Mate absolutely I think that has had an affect, don't know if you saw/watched the BT coverage of the game yesterday when Efan Ekoku (I think it was) said that the Selhurst atmosphere was in the top 5 in the Prem..!! Obviously in those terms that has a huge affect.

What I also think if that we had been on this run and the way we are playing the calls for "Roy out" from the crowd/stands would have been deafening, whereas at the moment I'm not sure the/that level of discontentment is filtering through to SP and the Board.

COYP

All very well just shouting out down with Roy, who do you feel we should introduce to replace him and how do we fund this persons arrival along with the funds for Mr Hodgson's departure not to mention the increased risk that will be incurred to the club as a whole during this performance?
Mustn't also forget that managers mostly feel the heat when their actions results in their clubs failure to meet up with the shared owners expectations.
What do you feel our clubs expectations are at this very moment?

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 31 Jan 21 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Excellent post Plaistow Eagle,summing up the thoughts of many fans I have spoken to.

A little bit repeaty though I feel.

 

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