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since1953 Flag Maidenhead 03 Sep 19 12.41pm Send a Private Message to since1953 Add since1953 as a friend

I just wonder what's on Corbyn's mind. The latest polls show Labour at about 25% .At this rate they may not even end up being the main opposition party. Unlikely, but things are a bit crazy at the moment.

 

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Maine Eagle Flag USA 03 Sep 19 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Sorry but why on earth would Remain still feature? It lost. Yes, you might be able to make a case for a variety of nuances around peoples understanding of 'Leave' but the basic reality of it meaning that we are no longer members of the EU cannot be doubted. Leave means Leave. End of. And a majority voted for that.

Just be honest. You want to see Article 50 revoked and you want to pretend that you still believe in democracy. You want a cloak of respectability for your dictatorial desire to see the result of 2016 ignored.

Have the courage to just be honest about that. Be up-front. I actually have a modicum of respect for people who just want the Leave vote ignored. Those who still proclaim it was just advisory and that there is nothing wrong with just dismissing it as irrelevant. We know where we stand with those people. There is a principle of a sort in that position.

But lets cut the virtue signalling. Lets lose this notion that somehow you want to help us poor Leavers truly understand what we actually voted for on June 23rd. You don't think my vote should count as much as a Remainers. Own that. Be frank with us about that viewpoint. You will feel, in the long term, much better about yourself if you do.


Edited by Matov (03 Sep 2019 6.39am)

I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option.

It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened.

Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016?

Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view?

I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time.

Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago?

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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johnno42000 Flag 03 Sep 19 12.51pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

I have raised this before but is there a red line for ex-Conservative and ex-Labour voters who now vote for the Brexit party?

There must be other policies that the party will raise in it's manifesto and I wonder if any of them will turn off people from voting for them?

 


'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 03 Sep 19 12.55pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

This is actually starting to get interesting now.

What would happen if we do have to go back to the polls and we get a hung parliament? Infinite purgatory? Horrendous

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Sep 19 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those who wish to will face their electorates and by showing themselves as people with principles and honour are very likely to either succeed again, or split the Tory vote.

Or get their backsides kicked by the electorate.

 


One more point

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Sep 19 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

This is actually starting to get interesting now.

What would happen if we do have to go back to the polls and we get a hung parliament? Infinite purgatory? Horrendous

In that case I will be looking to rent a space beneath Parliament I have a few things I need to store there until the state opening.

But you are correct another hung Parliament is the nightmare scenario.

 


One more point

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 03 Sep 19 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option.

It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened.

Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016?

Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view?

I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time.

Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago?

To me, you miss the main point. The people that voted in the second referendum are not the same people that would vote in a third. There are 2 million young people to add in - largely likely to vote Remain - and 1.5m to take out - largely likely to have voted Leave.

A total of 82% of 18 to 24-year-olds with a voting preference say they would vote Remain in a third referendum. In contrast, two-thirds of those aged 65 and over would back Leave, while only one-third would favour Remain.

As a reminder, most people over 65 are now retired.

We are being sleep walked into a decision that is no longer valid. If ever it was the will of the people (many people used it as a protest vote for a variety of reasons) it almost certainly isn't now.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Sep 2019 1.22pm)

 

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jeeagles Flag 03 Sep 19 1.22pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option.

It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened.

Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016?

Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view?

I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time.

Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago?

All these arguments were around prior to the vote and discussed at length, then the country, rightly or wrongly, chose to leave. Remainers going repeating the same old arguments need to move on and come up with reasons why we should join the EU.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

To me, you miss the main point. The people that voted in the second referendum are not the same people that would vote in a third. There are 2 million young people to add in - largely likely to vote Remain - and 1.5m to take out - largely likely to have voted Leave.

A total of 82% of 18 to 24-year-olds with a voting preference say they would vote Remain in a third referendum. In contrast, two-thirds of those aged 65 and over would back Leave, while only one-third would favour Remain.

As a reminder, most people over 65 are now retired.

We are being sleep walked into a decision that is no longer valid. If ever it was the will of the people (many people used it as a protest vote for a variety of reasons) it almost certainly isn't now.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Sep 2019 1.22pm)

AH ! I now see the plan.
Keep delaying and delaying Brexit until many older people have passed away and younger ones have reached voting age and hey presto a second referendum will produce a different result.Cunning plan.


 

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W12 03 Sep 19 1.26pm

Last week the government were fully in charge and there was no way Brexit could be stopped (whether leaving via a Boris deal for no deal). This week MP's vote to extend Brexit yet again and allow the EU to take control of this and now we may be faced with another election with everything up in the air.

They are making it up as they go along. There is no due process that makes any sense that I can see.

 

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Matov Flag 03 Sep 19 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened.

Did we have to sit a test before we voted? How on earth do you think you know what we all knew or did not? Your stance is perhaps the most arrogant I have ever come across.

Or are you psychic? A crystal ball? Tarot cards? Reading the tea leaves?

Democracy does not involve, in any way, shape or form, those who lose deciding on behalf of those whose votes were in the majority that they did not know what they were voting for and that because of that, you get a chance to vote again for your prefered option.

And us Leavers are meant to be the deluded ones? LOL.

As a genuine question, why would a second referendum with Remain as an option be considered the definitive one? Why should I, who voted in utter good faith on June 23rd 2016, think that this time it really really really does count? Will you promise not to have your fingers crossed this time? Will you really really really accept the result this time even if you don't like the outcome?


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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elgrande Flag bedford 03 Sep 19 1.51pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

AH ! I now see the plan.
Keep delaying and delaying Brexit until many older people have passed away and younger ones have reached voting age and hey presto a second referendum will produce a different result.Cunning plan.


Indeed willow.

t*** face Heseltine said exactly that on the wireless this am.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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