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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 10.02am
Originally posted by jeeagles [Link] Others have worked it out, but opponents of Corbyn within the party are just branded thugs, racist, or war criminals (sometimes this might be true, but it doesn't always discount the point they are making). The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative? Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year. Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything. If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 03 Sep 19 10.02am

Originally posted by jeeagles

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Others have worked it out, but opponents of Corbyn within the party are just branded thugs, racist, or war criminals (sometimes this might be true, but it doesn't always discount the point they are making).

The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative?

Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year.

Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything.

If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired.

One more point

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furrybloke Hemel Hempstead 03 Sep 19 10.13am
Originally posted by cryrst Ok a simple question of a new referendum. Two choices. No deal or remain. Would you accept that and take a chance. I would, you have a clear choice on whats on offer.
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Hemel Hempstead 03 Sep 19 10.13am

Originally posted by cryrst

Ok a simple question of a new referendum.
Two choices.
No deal or remain.
Would you accept that and take a chance.

I would, you have a clear choice on whats on offer.

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chris123 hove actually 03 Sep 19 10.22am
Originally posted by Badger11 The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative? Corbyn is 70 so his time as leader / PM will be limited. If he avoids a GE now then all this talk of Johnson destroying democracy will look pretty silly especially as he has been calling for a GE weekly for the past year. Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything. If I were Corbyn I would accept the challenge and go all out for the Remain vote. If he fails at least he can say he went down all guns blazing if he delays he may lose his job without a shot even being fired. I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.
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hove actually 03 Sep 19 10.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

The greatest power a PM use to have was the right to call a GE at a time that suited them. That was removed in 2011 and yes I agree there is something of a trap here but what is the altrenative?

Governments don't win elections they lose them so yes Johnson has the upper hand however I feel for Corbyn it is now or never. His ratings are dropping all the time as he prevaricates on everything.

I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.27am
Originally posted by Willo Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions. Champagne socialists. As long as the JAMS’s are kept up by the roundabout off the A3 or in Wandsworth and near Hammersmith. Putney is very very comfy. COYP
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Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.27am

Originally posted by Willo

Substantially reduced from the General Elections in 2010 and 2015 when she enjoyed majorities of about 10,000 on both occasions.

Champagne socialists. As long as the JAMS’s are kept up by the roundabout off the A3 or in Wandsworth and near Hammersmith. Putney is very very comfy.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.48am
Originally posted by chris123 I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose. Completely agree. Suits his flock of sheep. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Sep 19 10.48am

Originally posted by chris123

I think Jeremy Corbyn is really an activist & campaigner - not really suited to Government as he prefers instinctively to oppose.

Completely agree. Suits his flock of sheep.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 11.19am
I have been speaking to a few Conservative members and the overall view is that they will cheer from the rafters if Johnson removes the whip from those Tory MPs who don’t back him today.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 11.19am

I have been speaking to a few Conservative members and the overall view is that they will cheer from the rafters
if Johnson removes the whip from those Tory MPs who don’t back him today.

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SpyroCrystal 03 Sep 19 11.32am
Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard. Big up the Palace!!!!
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SpyroCrystal 03 Sep 19 11.32am

Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard.

Big up the Palace!!!!

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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 11.53am
Originally posted by SpyroCrystal Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard. Agreed. Nigel may have a big part to play in any GE. He can sink Labour by hoovering up the Remain vote in the North but he could also damage the Tories as he did in Peterborough. One more point
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Beckenham 03 Sep 19 11.53am

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Keep an eye out on Boris Johnson. He may flip flop. Nigel needs to be on guard.

Agreed.

Nigel may have a big part to play in any GE. He can sink Labour by hoovering up the Remain vote in the North but he could also damage the Tories as he did in Peterborough.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.13pm
Originally posted by cryrst Ok a simple question of a new referendum. Two choices. No deal or remain. Would you accept that and take a chance. As I don't want any referendums, ever on any subject, that is not an option that I hope will ever have to be faced. I want Parliament to do it's job. However if they were the choices that were put then so be it. I rather doubt though that Parliament would accept them. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.13pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Ok a simple question of a new referendum.
Two choices.
No deal or remain.
Would you accept that and take a chance.

As I don't want any referendums, ever on any subject, that is not an option that I hope will ever have to be faced. I want Parliament to do it's job.

However if they were the choices that were put then so be it. I rather doubt though that Parliament would accept them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.25pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Today's the day. I am confident that Corbyn will win his vote with the help of about 11 Tory MPs and the rest of the opposition. I actually think that Johnson will be better off losing this vote. If by some miracle he did win it still means that the opposition could continue to come up with other ways to block Brexit which they may win. Time to lance the boil. Johnson will then ask parliament for a GE on 14 Oct which needs 3/4 of the house to vote for (not abstain). Corbyn said last night bring it on, he's a Martini boy any time any place, fair enough. One fly in the ointment some Labour Remain MPs are saying that will only agree to a GE after Oct 31 meaning they want an extension to Jan 21 before they will agree to a GE. I would be surprised if that is Labour's official policy the whole point of holding the election on Oct 14 is for the public to have their say those who don't support a GE after complaining about democracy being in danger will look rather stupid. Do you really think that opposition MPs will trust Johnson calling an election on Oct 14th? I think his Machiavellian backroom boys are devious enough to find reasons to delay the date until after the 31st. Apparently it clashes with Jewish conventions around that time. That would be a great excuse wouldn't it? I wouldn't trust Johnson to give me £50. As I suggested a few pages back I think whilst Corbyn might want to grab the "opportunity" wiser heads in the background will rein him in. It's moving too quickly to be certain but this seems to be playing out as I thought it would. A forced delay followed by a GE in October. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.25pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Today's the day.

I am confident that Corbyn will win his vote with the help of about 11 Tory MPs and the rest of the opposition. I actually think that Johnson will be better off losing this vote. If by some miracle he did win it still means that the opposition could continue to come up with other ways to block Brexit which they may win. Time to lance the boil.

Johnson will then ask parliament for a GE on 14 Oct which needs 3/4 of the house to vote for (not abstain).

Corbyn said last night bring it on, he's a Martini boy any time any place, fair enough.

One fly in the ointment some Labour Remain MPs are saying that will only agree to a GE after Oct 31 meaning they want an extension to Jan 21 before they will agree to a GE.

I would be surprised if that is Labour's official policy the whole point of holding the election on Oct 14 is for the public to have their say those who don't support a GE after complaining about democracy being in danger will look rather stupid.

Do you really think that opposition MPs will trust Johnson calling an election on Oct 14th? I think his Machiavellian backroom boys are devious enough to find reasons to delay the date until after the 31st. Apparently it clashes with Jewish conventions around that time. That would be a great excuse wouldn't it?

I wouldn't trust Johnson to give me £50.

As I suggested a few pages back I think whilst Corbyn might want to grab the "opportunity" wiser heads in the background will rein him in.

It's moving too quickly to be certain but this seems to be playing out as I thought it would. A forced delay followed by a GE in October.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.31pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Unbelievable Shami leather the shadow attorney General has just confirmed that Labour will only support a GE post 31 Oct. So let me get this straight. All those MPs and protesters claiming our democracy is under threat and the poeple must decide, now they have an opportunity to "save" their democracy they don't want it. You can't make this up. Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 8.33am) It's blindingly obvious that to try to arrange a GE now is for one purpose only so that if you disagree with that purpose you don't allow it to happen, if you have the votes to achieve that. You assess priorities and act accordingly. That is what you do in a democracy so there is no a smidgen of hypocrisy involved. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Unbelievable Shami leather the shadow attorney General has just confirmed that Labour will only support a GE post 31 Oct.

So let me get this straight. All those MPs and protesters claiming our democracy is under threat and the poeple must decide, now they have an opportunity to "save" their democracy they don't want it.

You can't make this up.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 8.33am)

It's blindingly obvious that to try to arrange a GE now is for one purpose only so that if you disagree with that purpose you don't allow it to happen, if you have the votes to achieve that.

You assess priorities and act accordingly. That is what you do in a democracy so there is no a smidgen of hypocrisy involved.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.34pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Indeed nothing to hold the rebels back now. As another club's fans say "let em all come down the Den" Time for MPs to stand up and be counted I would rather face my enemies than have them behind me. Greening, Clarke, Hammond et al will vote against the government and must face the consequences. Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.09am) Those who wish to will face their electorates and by showing themselves as people with principles and honour are very likely to either succeed again, or split the Tory vote. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Sep 19 12.34pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Indeed nothing to hold the rebels back now. As another club's fans say "let em all come down the Den"

Time for MPs to stand up and be counted I would rather face my enemies than have them behind me.

Greening, Clarke, Hammond et al will vote against the government and must face the consequences.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2019 9.09am)

Those who wish to will face their electorates and by showing themselves as people with principles and honour are very likely to either succeed again, or split the Tory vote.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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