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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 That could make you appear to some to be a sympathiser of terrorists like a certain MR Corbyn is being accused of. "The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary group. Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland, part of the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), states that the UVF and RHC was responsible for at least 485 killings during the Troubles, and lists a further 256 loyalist killings that have not yet been attributed to a particular group. Of those killed by the UVF and RHC: 414 (~85%) were civilians, 11 of whom were civilian political activists 21 (~4%) were members or former members of republican paramilitary groups 44 (~9%) were members or former members of loyalist paramilitary groups 6 (~1%) were members of the British security forces" I'm no supporter of terrorism against the British state or against civilians. Indeed, no supporter of violence against peaceful people of any hue. Any loyalists guilty of that should be treated exactly the same way any IRA man is. That fact that you couldn't understand that from my comments says far more about you Kermy than anything else. Also criminal gangs who used the cover of the 'troubles' for violence and criminality also have no sympathy from me. But yeah, I have loyalist family in Belfast and know a little of this so you create your equivalency between those who were active in the murdering of British soldiers and civilians and those who weren't and I'll see it for what it is. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 May 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

That could make you appear to some to be a sympathiser of terrorists like a certain MR Corbyn is being accused of.

"The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary group. Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland, part of the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), states that the UVF and RHC was responsible for at least 485 killings during the Troubles, and lists a further 256 loyalist killings that have not yet been attributed to a particular group.

Of those killed by the UVF and RHC:

414 (~85%) were civilians, 11 of whom were civilian political activists
21 (~4%) were members or former members of republican paramilitary groups
44 (~9%) were members or former members of loyalist paramilitary groups
6 (~1%) were members of the British security forces"

I'm no supporter of terrorism against the British state or against civilians. Indeed, no supporter of violence against peaceful people of any hue. Any loyalists guilty of that should be treated exactly the same way any IRA man is.

That fact that you couldn't understand that from my comments says far more about you Kermy than anything else.

Also criminal gangs who used the cover of the 'troubles' for violence and criminality also have no sympathy from me.

But yeah, I have loyalist family in Belfast and know a little of this so you create your equivalency between those who were active in the murdering of British soldiers and civilians and those who weren't and I'll see it for what it is.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 22 May 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Are you still voting for Tim and la la fairies, Michael? What did you think of his refusal to answer whether he thought abortion was wrong? Lib Dems are more your bag, surely? Run by a puritan. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 22 May 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Are you still voting for Tim and la la fairies, Michael?

What did you think of his refusal to answer whether he thought abortion was wrong?

Lib Dems are more your bag, surely? Run by a puritan.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 22 May 17 2.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm no supporter of terrorism against the British state or against civilians. Indeed, no supporter of violence against peaceful people of any hue. Any loyalists guilty of that should be treated exactly the same way any IRA man is. That fact that you couldn't understand that from my comments says far more about you Kermy than anything else. Also criminal gangs who used the cover of the 'troubles' for violence and criminality also have no sympathy from me. But yeah, I have loyalist family in Belfast and know a little of this so you create your equivalency between those who were active in the murdering of British soldiers and civilians and those who weren't and I'll see it for what it is. Good. With that then that mean's that you don't assume vocal support of Irish republicanism to automatically mean also support of the IRA. However, the UVF were the enemies of the IRA. Do you wish to reconsider calling them, in so many words, your 'friend'? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 22 May 17 2.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That fact that you couldn't understand that from my comments says far more about you Kermy than anything else.

Also criminal gangs who used the cover of the 'troubles' for violence and criminality also have no sympathy from me.

Good. With that then that mean's that you don't assume vocal support of Irish republicanism to automatically mean also support of the IRA.

However, the UVF were the enemies of the IRA. Do you wish to reconsider calling them, in so many words, your 'friend'?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 2.32pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Are you still voting for Tim and la la fairies, Michael? What did you think of his refusal to answer whether he thought abortion was wrong? Just to jump in I thought Farron was perfectly reasonable about this. And that's not something I say very often about the lib dems. I thought the attempted attack on him was unfair. It's the policy that is important not his adherence to the morality of an ancient book. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 May 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Are you still voting for Tim and la la fairies, Michael?

What did you think of his refusal to answer whether he thought abortion was wrong?

Just to jump in I thought Farron was perfectly reasonable about this.

And that's not something I say very often about the lib dems.

I thought the attempted attack on him was unfair. It's the policy that is important not his adherence to the morality of an ancient book.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 2.41pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Good. With that then that mean's that you don't assume vocal support of Irish republicanism to automatically mean also support of the IRA. However, the UVF were the enemies of the IRA. Do you wish to reconsider calling them, in so many words, your 'friend'? No I don't. I made that clear in my previous posts. That doesn't mean that I consider the equivalences that Mr Corbyn made and makes in any way acceptable for a potential PM. As for the UVF, haven't I just made my position clear in regards to loyalists? Let me state it again for the hard of reading. I don't support vigilantism. I prefer loyalists to the IRA because their main aim was to protect the British state not murder its members. Any 'loyalists' who didn't act in that way deserved the same treatment as the IRA. I'm pro the British state. I don't make equivalences between those who wished and planned to murder British soldiers and civilians and those who didn't. It's you and others who do that. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 2.42pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 May 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Good. With that then that mean's that you don't assume vocal support of Irish republicanism to automatically mean also support of the IRA.

However, the UVF were the enemies of the IRA. Do you wish to reconsider calling them, in so many words, your 'friend'?

No I don't. I made that clear in my previous posts. That doesn't mean that I consider the equivalences that Mr Corbyn made and makes in any way acceptable for a potential PM.

As for the UVF, haven't I just made my position clear in regards to loyalists?

Let me state it again for the hard of reading.

I don't support vigilantism.
I prefer loyalists to the IRA because their main aim was to protect the British state not murder its members.
Any 'loyalists' who didn't act in that way deserved the same treatment as the IRA.

I'm pro the British state. I don't make equivalences between those who wished and planned to murder British soldiers and civilians and those who didn't.

It's you and others who do that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 2.42pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 May 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 They are seeing it through though arent they? Just tweaked it a little... How on earth can they claim they know how much they need to collect from this policy if they say one thing is necessary one minute and then climb down from that position the next. Strong and stable.
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Sydenham 22 May 17 2.43pm

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Originally posted by Lyons550

They are seeing it through though arent they? Just tweaked it a little...

How on earth can they claim they know how much they need to collect from this policy if they say one thing is necessary one minute and then climb down from that position the next.

Strong and stable.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 May 17 2.45pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 The problem is by listening and tailoring policies based on public feedback..afterall what a demonstrations for(?)..it reduces the anti / protest elements basis for argument. So I can see why you are trying to flower it up as anything other than listening to what people have been complaining about. Would be nice if they did it for the other 5 years they were in power for though...but I guess you have to start somewhere. So if people complain about something the government should just cave in, even if they think it's a fair and necessary policy? Hardly strong and stable. Why say it in the first place if they had any comprehension about what's fair and necessary?
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Sydenham 22 May 17 2.45pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

The problem is by listening and tailoring policies based on public feedback..afterall what a demonstrations for(?)..it reduces the anti / protest elements basis for argument.

So I can see why you are trying to flower it up as anything other than listening to what people have been complaining about.

Would be nice if they did it for the other 5 years they were in power for though...but I guess you have to start somewhere.

So if people complain about something the government should just cave in, even if they think it's a fair and necessary policy? Hardly strong and stable.

Why say it in the first place if they had any comprehension about what's fair and necessary?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 17 2.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle How on earth can they claim they know how much they need to collect from this policy if they say one thing is necessary one minute and then climb down from that position the next. Strong and stable. Jeremy Hunt was unequivocally vocal about saying there wouldn't be a cap on Friday's Today programme. Yet May said today in her (not a) u turn it hadn't been decided.. She also accused Corbyn tlof scaremongering
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 17 2.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How on earth can they claim they know how much they need to collect from this policy if they say one thing is necessary one minute and then climb down from that position the next.

Strong and stable.

Jeremy Hunt was unequivocally vocal about saying there wouldn't be a cap on Friday's Today programme. Yet May said today in her (not a) u turn it hadn't been decided.. She also accused Corbyn tlof scaremongering

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Lyons550 Shirley 22 May 17 3.15pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle So if people complain about something the government should just cave in, even if they think it's a fair and necessary policy? Hardly strong and stable. Why say it in the first place if they had any comprehension about what's fair and necessary? Wow you do like your generalisations...they've not caved in on everything...even this is stretching the limitations of the 'truth' by your own standards. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 22 May 17 3.15pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

So if people complain about something the government should just cave in, even if they think it's a fair and necessary policy? Hardly strong and stable.

Why say it in the first place if they had any comprehension about what's fair and necessary?

Wow you do like your generalisations...they've not caved in on everything...even this is stretching the limitations of the 'truth' by your own standards.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 May 17 3.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Jeremy Hunt was unequivocally vocal about saying there wouldn't be a cap on Friday's Today programme. Yet May said today in her (not a) u turn it hadn't been decided.. She also accused Corbyn tlof scaremongering Or you could stop playing politics(as If that would ever happen)and admit that this is a sensible policy to address the looming crisis of care for the elderly. Those that can afford it should pay for their care should they not?
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22 May 17 3.25pm

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Or you could stop playing politics(as If that would ever happen)and admit that this is a sensible policy to address the looming crisis of care for the elderly.
Those that can afford it should pay for their care should they not?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 22 May 17 3.30pm
Over 2,400 posts on this thread. Waste of time really. Everyone knows that the electorate is not daft enough to vote Neil from The Young Ones into power. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 22 May 17 3.30pm

Over 2,400 posts on this thread. Waste of time really. Everyone knows that the electorate is not daft enough to vote Neil from The Young Ones into power.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 May 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Over 2,400 posts on this thread. Waste of time really. Everyone knows that the electorate is not daft enough to vote Neil from The Young Ones into power. I don't think Gusset is running. You must mean Compo.
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Hrolf The Ganger

22 May 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Over 2,400 posts on this thread. Waste of time really. Everyone knows that the electorate is not daft enough to vote Neil from The Young Ones into power.

I don't think Gusset is running.

You must mean Compo.

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